Current Affairs Asylum Seekers

[Spadge Vernacular]

This is a big part of the problem.

Nearly 90% of those crossing in boats from safe countries are male

As UK answers call to help Ukrainian women and children, most boat arrivals are young men travelling from safe countries without prior permission Statistics reveal unfairness of situation where those coming illegally - and paying criminal smugglers - can push their way to front of queue UK is...

www.migrationwatchuk.org

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This is a big part of the problem.

Nearly 90% of those crossing in boats from safe countries are male

As UK answers call to help Ukrainian women and children, most boat arrivals are young men travelling from safe countries without prior permission Statistics reveal unfairness of situation where those coming illegally - and paying criminal smugglers - can push their way to front of queue UK is...

www.migrationwatchuk.org

Christ, I wouldn't quote anything from that rabble if my life depended on it. Unless you mean that citing a far right think tank as a reliable source on migration issues is a big part of the problem, in which case I wholeheartedly agree.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Christ, I wouldn't quote anything from that rabble if my life depended on it. Unless you mean that citing a far right think tank as a reliable source on migration issues is a big part of the problem, in which case I wholeheartedly agree.

Indeed, its the narrative and perception that is the week point in the nations psyche.

 

[LostLegend]

Indeed. The problem though is that most people believe we don't have room but never ask why don't we have room. This is of course because they've been trained not to ask that question, even though it relates to several phenomena - long waiting lists for social housing, an often substandard, unfair and expensive private rented sector, and home ownership becoming increasingly unaffordable and requires a workplace stability that is more and more uncommon - that the majority of the population personally experience.

It’s a good point. The housing market is a mess atm.
You have predatory landlords bulk buying property in impoverished areas and bumping up the rent, companies mass buying homes within coastal areas and city centres to rent out as Airbnb’s and the like and country towns gradually becoming deserted due to the amount of holiday homes and second homes pricing out the local populace.

There needs to be massive reform in regards to housing, but of course the Tories are a landlord friendly party, so don’t expect anything soon.

 

[allezlesbleus]

The French don't take in too much of anyone themselves: fewer Ukrainians in France than even in the UK.

Any idea of how many of these applications were granted in France mate?

 

[magicjuan]

Maybe it's time we stopped taking part in the creation migrants. Economic as well as the victims of (economically strategic) open warfare, we help create the situatons.

 

[Blue Heart]

I haven't really understood the policies of the E U or U K in this area.

My impression is that the structures surrounding decisions on immigration are those which were designed for a very different world.

I have sympathy for the immigrants and for councils & other service providers whose resources have been stretched well beyond the comfortable.

 

[Azza]

This is a big part of the problem.

Nearly 90% of those crossing in boats from safe countries are male

As UK answers call to help Ukrainian women and children, most boat arrivals are young men travelling from safe countries without prior permission Statistics reveal unfairness of situation where those coming illegally - and paying criminal smugglers - can push their way to front of queue UK is...

www.migrationwatchuk.org

lol lol

Straight out of 55 Tufton Street. Nice one.

 

[cronullasharks]

It’s a good point. The housing market is a mess atm.
You have predatory landlords bulk buying property in impoverished areas and bumping up the rent, companies mass buying homes within coastal areas and city centres to rent out as Airbnb’s and the like and country towns gradually becoming deserted due to the amount of holiday homes and second homes pricing out the local populace.

There needs to be massive reform in regards to housing, but of course the Tories are a landlord friendly party, so don’t expect anything soon.

This struck a chord with me for Australia too, the average person aint getting a look in for coastal areas, city centres or "trendy" country areas that have become hobby farms for the rich. It's off to the outer suburbs where there's nothing to do and it's generally a bit crap for the rest of us.

 

[verreauxi]

In like 2016, the US National academy commissioned a very thorough study of immigration and assimilation and its impact on the US economy. Their key findings (below) run pretty contrary to current political rhetoric and common-sense notions held by some voters:

• When measured over a period of 10 years or more, the impact of immigration on the wages of native-born workers overall is very small. To the extent that negative impacts occur, they are most likely to be found for prior immigrants or native-born workers who have not completed high school—who are often the closest substitutes for immigrant workers with low skills.
• There is little evidence that immigration significantly affects the overall employment levels of native-born workers. As with wage impacts, there is some evidence that recent immigrants reduce the employment rate of prior immigrants. In addition, recent research finds that immigration reduces the number of hours worked by native-born teens (but not their employment levels).
• Some evidence on inflows of skilled immigrants suggests that there may be positive wage effects for some subgroups of native-born workers, and other benefits to the economy more broadly.
• Immigration has an overall positive impact on long-run economic growth in the United States.
• In terms of fiscal impacts, first-generation immigrants are more costly to governments, mainly at the state and local levels, than are the native-born, in large part due to the costs of educating their children. However, as adults, the children of immigrants (the second generation) are among the strongest economic and fiscal contributors in the U.S. population, contributing more in taxes than either their parents or the rest of the native-born population.
• Over the long term, the impacts of immigrants on government budgets are generally positive at the federal level but remain negative at the state and local level—but these generalizations are subject to a number of important assumptions. Immigration’s fiscal effects vary tremendously across states.

Are there any similar studies that have been conducted in the UK?

 

[roydo]

Are there any similar studies that have been conducted in the UK?

Pretty sure @Bruce Wayne will show there have been.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Pretty sure @Bruce Wayne will show there have been.

Oh there have been heaps of studies into it and they all produce very similar findings. Even with the huge influx of refugees into Poland and Germany from Ukraine in the past few years there hasn't been the social breakdown that scaremongers would have you believe.

Sadly, evidence doesn't really come into this debate anywhere near enough, with the Tories dragging the debate into the mud and Labour not really wanting to pull it out of the mud because even racists have votes.

 

[peteblue]

Oh there have been heaps of studies into it and they all produce very similar findings. Even with the huge influx of refugees into Poland and Germany from Ukraine in the past few years there hasn't been the social breakdown that scaremongers would have you believe.

Sadly, evidence doesn't really come into this debate anywhere near enough, with the Tories dragging the debate into the mud and Labour not really wanting to pull it out of the mud because even racists have votes.

We’ve had this debate for years. It’s not immigration that is a problem, immigrants who come here invariably add to the U.K. The problem is that those who apply legally are effectively pushed to the back of the queue by those that arrive illegally. Whatever studies are done, invariably the majority on the boats are young men, and now appear to be from countries such as Albania where there are no wars or need for asylum. People have no problem with families from war torn or oppressive countries. I’ve said before that we should welcome people from around the world but just do it in a legal and fair manner and not allow criminals to exploit the situation. …..

 

[Charro]

We’ve had this debate for years. It’s not immigration that is a problem, immigrants who come here invariably add to the U.K. The problem is that those who apply legally are effectively pushed to the back of the queue by those that arrive illegally. Whatever studies are done, invariably the majority on the boats are young men, and now appear to be from countries such as Albania where there are no wars or need for asylum. People have no problem with families from war torn or oppressive countries. I’ve said before that we should welcome people from around the world but just do it in a legal and fair manner and not allow criminals to exploit the situation. …..

There’s a massive backlog of asylum applications.

They can be incredible complex to complete.

They’re not being pushed forward over people who arrive here “legally”. That’s nonsense.

 

[peteblue]

There’s a massive backlog of asylum applications.

They can be incredible complex to complete.

They’re not being pushed forward over people who arrive here “legally”. That’s nonsense.

I assume there’s only so much times and effort that the CS can apply to this, illegal numbers must distract effort from dealing with cases, appeals etc etc. Obviously this may not be true, but seems logical….