Current Affairs Asylum Seekers

[summerisle]

This, in a nutshell.

 

[tsubaki]

Up to last August, the UK had taken in 115,000 Ukrainians. The reason there wasn't an outcry is because that is a paltry number. And the Tories went out of their way to make sure Ukrainians were not welcome in the UK - to the extent that it was admitted that some could even end up on planes to Rwanda.

That 115,000 has to be compared with 971,000 who went to Germany and 1.27 million who went to Poland. A person might say, but Poland is next door. True, but Ireland took in over 75,000 Ukrainians in 2022. The UK is approximately 13 times bigger than Ireland. Yet, look at the difference.

Indeed. The problem though is that most people believe we don't have room but never ask why don't we have room. This is of course because they've been trained not to ask that question, even though it relates to several phenomena - long waiting lists for social housing, an often substandard, unfair and expensive private rented sector, and home ownership becoming increasingly unaffordable and requires a workplace stability that is more and more uncommon - that the majority of the population personally experience.

 

[PhilEFC]

Indeed. The problem though is that most people believe we don't have room but never ask why don't we have room. This is of course because they've been trained not to ask that question, even though it relates to several phenomena - long waiting lists for social housing, an often substandard, unfair and expensive private rented sector, and home ownership becoming increasingly unaffordable and requires a workplace stability that is more and more uncommon - that the majority of the population personally experience.

Exactly. Because the government hasn’t been governing for the country, only for themselves.

 

[Drico]

Indeed. The problem though is that most people believe we don't have room but never ask why don't we have room. This is of course because they've been trained not to ask that question, even though it relates to several phenomena - long waiting lists for social housing, an often substandard, unfair and expensive private rented sector, and home ownership becoming increasingly unaffordable and requires a workplace stability that is more and more uncommon - that the majority of the population personally experience.

The same issue applies in Ireland - an underpopulated country with a dysfunctional housing and rental market.

As a result, the "others" get the brunt of anger that should be directed at...the electoral decisions we voters collectively choose to make.

 

[Amw79]

Screaming 'Go Home' to brown people is racist.

Of course it is.

 

[Amw79]

Up to last August, the UK had taken in 115,000 Ukrainians. The reason there wasn't an outcry is because that is a paltry number. And the Tories went out of their way to make sure Ukrainians were not welcome in the UK - to the extent that it was admitted that some could even end up on planes to Rwanda.

That 115,000 has to be compared with 971,000 who went to Germany and 1.27 million who went to Poland. A person might say, but Poland is next door. True, but Ireland took in over 75,000 Ukrainians in 2022. The UK is approximately 13 times bigger than Ireland. Yet, look at the difference.

Circa 220,000 visas issued to Ukrainians under the 2 schemes as of today.

I agree, it could, and probably should be more, but there’s no restriction on numbers, and the application process is pretty simple.

The point there was that it didn’t attract the usual right wing ire that it would have done had it been Albanians, or Eritreans etc.

 

[Drico]

Circa 220,000 visas issued to Ukrainians under the 2 schemes as of today.

I agree, it could, and probably should be more, but there’s no restriction on numbers, and the application process is pretty simple.

The point there was that it didn’t attract the usual right wing ire that it would have done had it been Albanians, or Eritreans etc.

There's no doubt the Ukrainians benefit from being able to "blend in" on first sight.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

The Tories were voted in to sort this immigration issue out by people sucked in by the narrative that the Tories set out.

They haven’t done anything but sat on their arses and creamed billions of our money off for their mates, and now it’s apparent they are going to get their arses handed to them at the next GE, this is the rhetoric they turn to attract those gullible enough to be taken in by it.

Bingo

 

[Taifi gorm]

The same issue applies in Ireland - an underpopulated country with a dysfunctional housing and rental market.

As a result, the "others" get the brunt of anger that should be directed at...the electoral decisions we voters collectively choose to make.

Funny the 'blue shirts' scoffing at the Tories and BBC, when FFG and RTÉ are even worse.

 

[spectateur]

There's no doubt the Ukrainians benefit from being able to "blend in" on first sight.

So do Albanians, but they're Muslim.

 

[Drico]

So do Albanians, but they're Muslim.

They really don't. Albanians, in general, are more swarthy, so to speak. They stand out in ways fair-haired Ukrainians don't tend to, sadly.

 

[spectateur]

They really don't. Albanians, in general, are more swarthy, so to speak. They stand out in ways fair-haired Ukrainians don't tend to, sadly.

Maybe the fairer skinned ones only come to France.

 

[Drico]

Maybe the fairer skinned ones only come to France.

The French don't take in too much of anyone themselves: fewer Ukrainians in France than even in the UK.

 

[spectateur]

The French don't take in too much of anyone themselves: fewer Ukrainians in France than even in the UK.

Very many come from the conflict stricken areas of Africa. Many are francophone of course so that helps.

 

[Drico]

Very many come from the conflict stricken areas of Africa. Many are francophone of course so that helps.

Indeed. I agree with you, btw, that it "helps" in a supposedly Christian-influenced country that immigrants are of a similar background. Sadly, people everywhere are only too ready to jump on difference and start "othering" people. By the same token, the "more white" a person looks in a Caucasian-dominated society, the easier it is to "blend" in. My point earlier was that, in general, Ukrainians are often harder to immediately identify as "different" than those with slightly darker skin tones. And while there are fairer-skinned Albanians too, sometimes those of swarthier complexion stand out. And that's before, as you say, religion even comes into it.