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[davek]

Well, the club is in exclusivity agreement with Tesco and LCC say they have tried to contact the club and have been basically stonewalled.

If this is the case, what exactly should they do?

I think the basic argument of those who point the finger at LCC and let the club hierarchy away with blue murder is this: LCC should cost alternative plans, bring an enabler to the table for them, and probably pay for the whole stadium; generally allow others to do the work of the board of Everton FC with nothing promised in return so that they can increase the value of their own shares without putting a penny more into the club.

Obviously LCC have failed on these terms.

 

[kenada_blue]

Go to press, be interviewed, let the fans know what they're upto what they offered, what they can offer. They mentioned a groundshare so why not mention what they can offer?

If they've been stonewalled and there is an exclusivity agreement, what harm can it do being Everton arent interested in them?

All the sites they've offered EFC have said aint viable or havent been presented as a proposition they can achieve or take seriously.

They coudl try harder if they wanted to.

 

[Makis]

Honestly, would you be happy if LCC did that? Basically they would, in public, say that they have to do it via the press because the club doesn't want to communicate.

I wouldn't mind it, but there are a lot of people who doesn't like it if there is ANY criticism of any kind towards the club in the local press.

Plus of course LCC would need to know what exactly the club wants before they can offer anything. If the club isn't willing to tell it, LCC would just be wasting tax payers' money because Everton could always come up with reasons why any site is not suitable.

Seems like I now have two red cards. I know the first one, but I wonder what I did to get the second... except of course not agreeing with the admins at a few threads?

 

[Neiler]

Honestly, would you be happy if LCC did that? Basically they would, in public, say that they have to do it via the press because the club doesn't want to communicate.

I wouldn't mind it, but there are a lot of people who doesn't like it if there is ANY criticism of any kind towards the club in the local press.

Plus of course LCC would need to know what exactly the club wants before they can offer anything. If the club isn't willing to tell it, LCC would just be wasting tax payers' money because Everton could always come up with reasons why any site is not suitable.

Seems like I now have two red cards. I know the first one, but I wonder what I did to get the second... except of course not agreeing with the admins at a few threads?

Everythings broke and theres no way of fixing it, lets just give up, shall we!

 

[kenada_blue]

Its wouldnt be criticising the club as much as its just an outlay of information, like the Knowsley council report on the ground or the transport report for DK. They were far more damaging than if LCC just came out and said "Right, we believe site A and B would accomodate a 50 to 60,000 seater stadium . It would cost an estimate of X amount and we will help you find or help financially backing for it via ground proposals blah blah blah." Or something along those lines, or even saying we proposed this or that site but didnt offer any thing in the way of proposals/plans etc...

At least something just to say "yeah, we tried, its up to the club." They've just been quiet and pipe up once in a while saying things like we've tried or "groundshare".

Honestly, if the [Poor language removed] were doing exactly what we were doing, LCC would bend over backwards and pump millions in keeping them in the city. Why cant they do it for us?

 

[Makis]

Everythings broke and theres no way of fixing it, lets just give up, shall we!

Um, what do you mean?

In this case it's the club's job to do most of the work, not LCC's. They should tell what they require (and not lie about it like Wyness did when he said Scottie Road is not ok because it can't hold a 70,000 seater stadium - the club will never require one like that and will not be able to expand to that in Kirkby either).

Communication is two-way road. It doesn't work if one side is not willing to talk. Let's not forget that Kenwright promised to talk to Skempton a year ago and he hasn't yet managed to do that. Obviously Kenwright doesn't even want to hear how GP could be redeveloped.

That's the problem. The board has set it's sight on Kirkby and completely refuse to listen to any alternatives. Blaming others for this is just wrong.

 

[Makis]

At least something just to say "yeah, we tried, its up to the club." They've just been quiet and pipe up once in a while saying things like we've tried or "groundshare".

They offered us Kings Dock. They offered us the Scotland Road loop. They have offered a couple of others.

Small news in the Echo, granted, but as I said, to take things any further would require some input from the club.

Honestly, if the [Poor language removed] were doing exactly what we were doing, LCC would bend over backwards and pump millions in keeping them in the city. Why cant they do it for us?

How would LCC be able to say how much a stadium in a location would cost when the club doesn't tell them what they want? And doing the calculations would not be cheap, would you want LCC to spend tax payers money on something that the club is seemingly not interested in?

You are saying they are not interested in Everton. What was Kings Dock then?

 

[kenada_blue]

And the club looked into those options and none of them were viable. I cant remember what they said about the Kings Dock at the EMG but wasnt it down to the fact we couldnt scrap the money together? They can find a site, but if the calculations come in and we cant afford it we cant afford it.

But anyway, that was years ago, what about now? What is there now that they can offer?

You say that it'd cost a lot of money for them to make calculations, but isnt that what EFC are looking for? Someone to come along and say what things would cost, spend their own money to create an option for us? I mean I can walk up and say "build here" but they aint are they?

Unless EFC spend thousands/millions themselves looking at every single site in detail where the outcome will probably be "not viable." Maybe they've done that already on their own. Who knows. LCC offered the Dock, it fell through. What about something else or did they just give up?

What happened with Citeh's ground? Didnt the council build that or something?

But still, would this happen if the [Poor language removed] were doing this?

 

[SuitsBlue]

the criers say "we deserve a city centre stadium, the best in the world, not a cow shed in kirkby"

LCC are not interested in another stadium in the city centre, it would divert business away from the kings dock arena wouldnt it.

all this posturing boils down to one thing - money.

everton have none. and dreaming of some billionaire arriving and waving hundreds of millions of pounds down the plug hole is exactly that. a dream.

a bit of realisation about the entire situation is required. specifically for the imbeciles.

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

everton have no money & are yet are intent on spending millions of this money they don't have on this ludicrous proposal, even the board themselves don't expect the new stadium to boost moyes transfer kitty by more than a few million, if all goes well.