hktoffee
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Yes and the only team keep using it get relegated.
3-4-3 do we have players for it currently?
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Yes and the only team keep using it get relegated.
Michael Tsui
Player Valuation: £1.5m
Luckily for most fans we aren't getting Bielsa or a large contingent will be having heartshocks every match - Bielsa is a known tinkerer and always field one more man than the opponent at the back.
We arguably have the best personnel to play a 3-4-3: Ball playing CB, rampaging wing/full backs, and a holder-creator-stretcher combination in front. The only other teams which can satisfactorily play in this way in the top flight next season would be Chelsea and of course Liverpool. City can also play like this, provided that they stop playing Clichy inside Kolarov.
We arguably have the best personnel to play a 3-4-3: Ball playing CB, rampaging wing/full backs, and a holder-creator-stretcher combination in front. The only other teams which can satisfactorily play in this way in the top flight next season would be Chelsea and of course Liverpool. City can also play like this, provided that they stop playing Clichy inside Kolarov.
Petit
Player Valuation: £30m
No, it isn't. Probably because it was the same formation which somehow saved Wigan from relegation previous season - http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/05/16/wigan-stay-up-after-a-switch-to-3-4-3/
And what if Martinez will decide that current Everton squad suits 3-4-3 even better than in Wigan? And actually playing different system to all other teams have many positives - teams having to adjust heavily to us and not having proper time for preparation for starters. Who can be benefited more? Us playing different system and preparing weekly for 4-2-3-1/4-3-3/or rare cases of 4-4-2? Or opponents who every week prepare for similar tactics, but two times per season have to adjust to totally different system?
And this line about not changing things because 19 teams do it other way made me chuckle
Is that really what you see happening though, Everton changing from 4 to 3 defenders and suddenly teams have massive problems facing us?
What I see happening is that we´d concede a bucket load of soft goals, especially against the better teams in the league.
I´m even more curious as to why we would do it when we have a squad extremely well equiped to play with a back four, ie. we have two fullbacks who can both attack and defend and two centre halves good enough not to need another player in there. Martinez used a back 3 because his centre halves were subpar.
If done properly? Why not? At least I would like us to know how to play this way, so there would be always a possibility to swiich to 3-man defend system to surprise teams during the games. Also, in theory having two very attacking fullbacks (also quite small) in 4-man defense is not really that perfect.
And regarding Wigan going down after switching to 3-4-3 - somehow I am more persuaded by the fact that they were saved previous season only because they switched to that system. Really reccomend reading ZonalMarking piece I had linked earlier.
Petit
Player Valuation: £30m
Just had a vision,
We get Wigans manager
We buy up Wigans players
We switch to Wigans tactics
We follow Wigan into the Championship
I hope we stay well clear of 3-4-3 tbh.
Moyes lined us up in something akin to 3-5-2 (or 5-3-2 if you see the wing backs as defenders), so i'm not too afraid of this.
Boss formation to use in FIFA, anyway. I'm fond of Martinez' style of play even though it's been extremely inconsistent in terms of results, but i'm getting behind all kinds of footie shenanigans if it keeps us going forward from the uncertain and depressing state our club is currently heading towards.
Boss formation to use in FIFA, anyway. I'm fond of Martinez' style of play even though it's been extremely inconsistent in terms of results, but i'm getting behind all kinds of footie shenanigans if it keeps us going forward from the uncertain and depressing state our club is currently heading towards.
Hibbosculturedrightboot
Player Valuation: £15m
You'd hope a new manager gets the chance to procure new players, esp if he has a clear system he wishes to deploy
Upper_Gwlady
Player Valuation: £500k
dont like the formation personally
Michael Tsui
Player Valuation: £1.5m
Having a third player means there is always cover for fullbacks, plus someone always ready to step up in midfield. In addition, it is very hard to defend against a back 3 very properly with odd # of strikers - there is always an easy outball for the keeper (either to full backs or side center backs), and in turn it leads to much better possession and fluid transitions.
The obvious weakness will be in centre midfield, but if someone always steps up in a high block there would be little problem.
Christiffa25
Player Valuation: £35m
Don't like it..
City took themselves out of a league challange experimenting with it.
Wigan took themselves down with it.
Players don't seem to like it.
To throw the odd Suprise with it...maybe, but everton's back 4 has been pretty solid over the years, to come in and change it would be pretty stupid IMO. We need a couple of quality players not a massive change in formation!
City took themselves out of a league challange experimenting with it.
Wigan took themselves down with it.
Players don't seem to like it.
To throw the odd Suprise with it...maybe, but everton's back 4 has been pretty solid over the years, to come in and change it would be pretty stupid IMO. We need a couple of quality players not a massive change in formation!
3 4 3 is ok when you are playing a gainst a team with a rigid 442, but no-one really does that anymore. The big problem with 3 4 3 is when you come up against a team playing 4 3 3.
It really forces your full backs deep to ensure you still have an extra man at the back. Because you are now effectively playing with 5 at the back, you either lose all width in your team or end up with an isolated striker.
It really forces your full backs deep to ensure you still have an extra man at the back. Because you are now effectively playing with 5 at the back, you either lose all width in your team or end up with an isolated striker.
Christiffa25
Player Valuation: £35m
As arsenal proved in the demolition of Wigan.
I hope we play 4-3-3 next season.
.................Howard...................
.Coleman..Jags...Distin....Baines..
.................Gibson.....................
..............Fellaini...Pienaar..........
.Naismith......................Mirallas..
.................Jelavic.....................
Obviously Naismith would need replacing, prob jelavic too but I like 4-3-3. Tbf tho I don't see a problem with our 4-2-3-1 apart from it doesn't make the most of mirallas and fellaini needs to be CM in it.
Petit
Player Valuation: £30m
Isn´t the obvious weakness the achres of space behind the "wing backs"?
I know you´ll tell me that Heitinga or Jagielka would come across and cover but I don´t really see it since that will leave us increasingly weak in the centre and also centre halves rarely have the mobility.
Petit
Player Valuation: £30m
Quality attacking fullbacks like Baines and Coleman are perfect for any formation.
The overlapping, attacking fullback is the centre piece of offensive play in this day and age.
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