Imagine thinking history has anything to do with today's American politics. For starters, you probably think Trumpism is just "conservative" politics, and not something else altogether
Gimme a break
Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race
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Gimme a break
Not sure about the rules but you're likely right that it's too late.
Michelle Obama, Gretchen Whitmer, Maybe Warnock, Raskin, Butigeig, Newsom
Thats's 7 people off the top of my head who I think beat Trump.
It's madness to even consider the idea of having an 86 year old POTUS.
The closer it gets the more it seems like an unnecessary ego trip to me.
You would be making valid points in a pre Trump era.
I don't think Mayor Pete or Newsom beat Trump. For very different reasons.
Michelle? I mean aside from being smarter than most in the GOP, what qualifies her for President? She's never even held office. I'm not a big fan of the non-politician being a politician thing
Whitmer? Perhaps. Perhaps
Warnock, I don't think would be a slam dunk.
Raskin is in the House. Would be quite a leap to the big chair. I think he'd be capable, as would someone like Adam Schiff, but not sure about this.
We are stuck with Biden
This time around it doesnt matter about experience especially for the likes of Obama or Raskin. Both know well how the system works and would be well able to carry out the role more effectively than Biden.
I agree on Pete and Newsom but I actually think Pete mops up tonns independent and moderate votes. His military background and ability to absolutely destroy fox talking heads would stand to him.
Newsom just doesnt seem very likeable and could prob be picked apart.
I think you're right, we're likely stuck with Biden. I just see it as a complete lack of respect for the voter from the Democrats.
Martin Alvito
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The Democrats have an empty bench. Newsom is the only Democratic governor most voters could pick out of a lineup, and Biden beat most senators voters would recognize back in 2020.
Biden just drew a lousy time to be the incumbent. He might still win, because the opposition candidate is so poor. If he were facing a real candidate like Reagan or Clinton, he'd be as screwed as Carter and H.W. were. Lucky for him, the Republicans also have an empty bench.
davek
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I know that there's a huge divergence in cultural politics and their constituencies and how they swing to either Democrats or Republicans. But we're talking about foreign policy now, and there's no point in trying to make some distinction on attitude toward Israel between Democrats and Republicans...other than for the latter to edge their way toward the Democrats in their commitment to the apartheid state.
Biden will reap what he's sown in the upcoming G.E., and rightly so. Americans who have stood up for a people being ethnically cleansed will have their day in November this year.
'back and to the side' right?
Ask your parents folks.
Reckon any of these Young Uns have even watched that masterpiece?
Mate you’re one of the youngest posters on here
tsubaki
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If there is a 2028 election, the candidates must come from wider society - as you say, there is no political leadership capable of the job.
Martin Alvito
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Oh, there will be a 2028 election.
Whether the votes count or not is another question.
Actually in 2016 I was quite humoured by Trump, even if I wasn't fully aware of what he stood for and how his precidency would be. I knew Hilary was horrible and corrupt and probably would have voted for Trump if I were American on account of not wanting to see Hilary in charge of the country.
Now it's actually the opposite; I see Trump and what he did in 2020, how he's divided the country and how he refuses to accept blame or take ownership for things he's done. I hear things he's said, even non-politically such as claiming his daughter is exactly the type of woman he'd go after. He's very sleazy. I wouldn't want somebody that would give Israel free reign to abolish Palestine, nor somebody who feigns a deeply religious persona to get half the country on his side. I don't like to see the police given outrageous powers to abuse their authority.
I do agree with him that the border needs to be sealed, just like it does in the UK, but he didn't achieve that in his first term so why would he a second time? I'm not sure if blanket mass deportations is the right way to go about it, but people that came in illegally shouldn't be allowed to stay if it's determined they weren't fleeing violence or whatever other reasons there are for asylum - I've seen enough footage to know that the numbers have spiralled well and truly out of control. That's on Biden though as it's been proven the numbers rose significantly since he took office.
The Democrats should be replacing Biden as soon as possible though as it's clear the election will likely be won based on people voting against a person that they don't want to win, and not actually for a person whose policies they strongly agree with and do want to win.
Ideally neither of them will win, but it's looking like one of them will. I think Biden is the lesser of two evils.
Now it's actually the opposite; I see Trump and what he did in 2020, how he's divided the country and how he refuses to accept blame or take ownership for things he's done. I hear things he's said, even non-politically such as claiming his daughter is exactly the type of woman he'd go after. He's very sleazy. I wouldn't want somebody that would give Israel free reign to abolish Palestine, nor somebody who feigns a deeply religious persona to get half the country on his side. I don't like to see the police given outrageous powers to abuse their authority.
I do agree with him that the border needs to be sealed, just like it does in the UK, but he didn't achieve that in his first term so why would he a second time? I'm not sure if blanket mass deportations is the right way to go about it, but people that came in illegally shouldn't be allowed to stay if it's determined they weren't fleeing violence or whatever other reasons there are for asylum - I've seen enough footage to know that the numbers have spiralled well and truly out of control. That's on Biden though as it's been proven the numbers rose significantly since he took office.
The Democrats should be replacing Biden as soon as possible though as it's clear the election will likely be won based on people voting against a person that they don't want to win, and not actually for a person whose policies they strongly agree with and do want to win.
Ideally neither of them will win, but it's looking like one of them will. I think Biden is the lesser of two evils.
And it's important to note that on this issue, he effectively killed a bipartisan bill to address this issue several months ago because it would hurt his chances in the November election. Even though Democrats met Republicans in the middle and they got to a point that both sides could live with and no doubt the Democrats gave up some of what they wanted. There is little doubt this would have helped to ease the border "crisis."
Another reminder that it's not about what's best for the country, or governing. It's only about what hurts the other side/helps his side.
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