NeilMorepies
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Perhaps they are for a All Americans, just that those who disagree won’t be counted as American in future…
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davek
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Wont mean a thing.
Kids rebel. It's part of the deal of growing up.
Any attempt to shove that down throats will end up radicalising a whole generation.
bluestevon
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Watched the video of his ten point plan, not sure how you can watch this and if implemented think it's anything but a good thing - anyone doing so is putting what they think it'll mean above what's actually being said which is projection.
The three points picked up on
'teach patriotism' - the inference being it will be lessons on patriotism (indoctrination) , rather than how I see it a focus on the history of the US, stuff like the constitution and bill of rights and restoring national pride in tarnished images such as the flag, armed forces, police etc. its somewhat of a vague point in reality.
Bring back prayers to the schools, guessing primarily aimed at schools that want to implement this, such as catholic schools etc. as in giving schools back the choice.
Fire teachers who don't agree - all I heard is fire teachers who do not provide a good level of education - ie fire crap teachers.
Turning education back to state level - very good idea.
Expulsion of any student violent yo a teacher - very good idea.
Teaching vocational skills and apprenticeship programs - very good idea.
Focusing on core subjects - getting rid of modern subjects which are completely useless in the real world (great idea)
Hiring the best principals and ensuring good teaching standards.- good idea
Taking political views out of education - very good idea
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davek
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I think when the French did the patriotism stuff it was seen as a pushback for the secular state against what they saw as the undermining of the Republic's principles. So it's often how the message is received that's important. The French got a thumbs up generally speaking.
That said, I'm not a nationalist of any description. I recoil at the notion of nationalism and especially the nationalism of major nations states, which is a cover for colonialism and imperialism.
Just taking the bolded points - teaching the constitution is going to point out that the 2nd bit, mandatory school prayer, is unconstitutional so that might be a bit of an issue.
School Prayer Amendment - Wikipedia
tsubaki
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The problem with this analysis is that we’ve got examples in the US where these things have been done at a state level, and the results are appalling.
States are not going to pay for what would be required to set it (vocational education especially) up, nor would they allow teachers to have that kind of input into developing workers like plumbers, mechanics, nurses, cops and so on. This will be seen as socialism, taking opportunity away from private education (where the students pay for the training).
What you’ll also no doubt find is that the narrow requirements of the plan will be only able to be met by a narrow band of providers, so any market benefits will be lost as well and the whole thing will see even more waste than there is now. In a decade you’ll end up with demoralized and ill-educated people who are way behind their contemporaries in Europe, Asia and elsewhere, and a smaller number of people in better run states who go on to make hay against those others.
TN Toffee
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I’m all for teaching kids the history of this country. The trouble is that even that is highly politicized. We’re nearly 160 years on from the end of our Civil War and we can’t even come to a clear consensus on who the bad guys were. I don’t have any kids so I can’t really speak to how it’s being taught now, but when I was in HS in the late 90’s I can assure you that a HEAVILY whitewashed version of the history was being taught that legitimized the cause of the Confederacy in a way that it ABOLUTELY should not have.
Even more than history, we need to be educating young people in this country about Civics. How the government works, and the importance of participating in it, namely through showing up to vote. One of my biggest takeaways from the past ten years or so is that the average knowledge level in that area is appalling.
As to prayer in schools, he’s not talking about Catholic schools. Privately funded schools who are affiliated with a religious organization already have prayer in them and always have. If you don’t like the prayer, you’re free to not pay the tuition to send your kids to a school like that. He’s talking about re-instituting prayer in taxpayer funded public schools, which anyone with the aforementioned knowledge of Civics would know is a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment. Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion.
Birthright citizenship is also one that would be covered in a decent civics class, suspect we are going to hear a lot about that with Miller as deputy COS.
So teaching kids to love their country and religion (which is in most schools in the UK at primary level) is a bad thing? I am not religious personally but my daughter goes to a religious school and it doesn't phase me as a parent.
Religion is only taught at faith schools, which to be fair are quite prevalent here in the UK (I went to one)
While I have no problem with schools teaching children about religion, actually teaching it as fact to children should be left to faith schools and has no place in the state school system imo.
Teaching kids to 'love; their country is a strange one. History lessons should be fact based. That means teaching the good as well as the bad. Honesty being the key word here.
Nothing wrong with being proud of where you are from and talking about the good your country may have done and the notable people who lived there, but it's a bit of red flag if you are telling kids that they have to love their country.
As said prayer in a faith school is fine but when the population is made up of a host of religions it seems a bit mad to force one particular one onto the masses .
What’s your religion mate ? Assuming it’s Christian would you be happy with your children being told to recite the Koran five times a day or presumably have their school diet imposed on them ? I went to a faith school but nobody made me go , well other than my parents .
Also I’m no expert but it’s expressly forbidden by the constitution isn’t it ? which when it comes to the second amendment is carved in stone but maybe it’s more flexible than they’ve let on .
NeilMorepies
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Yup. Indoctrination is for Cults.
Let them chose their own fairytales at a suitable age if they want, just don’t ram it down their throats as if it was normal.
If your religion/country is worth your belief, you shouldn’t have to brainwash small children.
I’ve always thought that one of the main things wrong with American schooling is that it doesn’t promote things like patriotism or religion enough and not that stupid woke children are scared shitless by having to do live shooter drills.
Mac 10s for the under 10s.
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