Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[bluestevon]

If there was better democratic candidate, would you vote for them instead of trump?

Who would you have preferred to run against trump?

Does it actually matter who the democratic candidate was in truth, if someone won't vote for Harris say because she isn't Newsome but would have if it was him, then i find it baffling.

Would like to ask someone who would change their mind two questions, first would be do they think that Joe Biden with obviously serious dementia, is making ANY decisions on anything? (It's arguably been that since day one or at least early on in his presidency imo), the second would be, if he's not been, then do you think those making the decisions won't be the same ones doing so under Harris or Newsome?

In which case what's it matter who the face on the ticket is, you're voting either way for same thing essentially.

Would argue pretty much the same about the republicans if it wasn't due the sheer weirdness and unpredictability Trump brings, although pretty much he was controlled easily last time as well.

 

[bluestevon]

No they’re not

You must be a politician

 

[Kever10]

You must be a politician

Beat me too it. Ive got cramp from typing.

And stress

Genuinely dont know how Damo does it/did it.

 

[trueblue84]

Im from Bootle mate, so i dont get a vote, but if i did, it would 100% be Trump and Vance, because the other 2 are so obviously liars. Walz tries to get around it by saying hes a knuckle head. Kamala just ignores the lies and pretends she never said them.

But people call Trump a liar because he exaggerates and uses hyperbole to describe things like how everyone likes him or how many people attend his rallies.

If he said half the [Poor language removed] the others said, hed be hung out to dry.

But i guess thats the fair and balanced media for you.

P. S. Tulsi Gabbard or RFKjr.

Ironic i know

Gabbard is a republican now, so I doubt she'd have much chance being the democratic nominee.

Out of interest, do you vote here in the UK? Are you conservative leaning or is your backing of trump/Vance due to something else?

 

[efcste97]

Im from Bootle mate, so i dont get a vote, but if i did, it would 100% be Trump and Vance, because the other 2 are so obviously liars. Walz tries to get around it by saying hes a knuckle head. Kamala just ignores the lies and pretends she never said them.

But people call Trump a liar because he exaggerates and uses hyperbole to describe things like how everyone likes him or how many people attend his rallies.

If he said half the [Poor language removed] the others said, hed be hung out to dry.

But i guess thats the fair and balanced media for you.

P. S. Tulsi Gabbard or RFKjr.

Ironic i know

That explains it

 

[efcste97]

Gabbard is a republican now, so I doubt she'd have much chance being the democratic nominee.

Out of interest, do you vote here in the UK? Are you conservative leaning or is your backing of trump/Vance due to something else?

Tulsi Gabbard is one of the biggest opportunists I’ve seen. I’ll admit, I was initially drawn to her but later realized her shifting positions and allegiances seemed more about personal gain than consistent principles.

 

[Kever10]

Gabbard is a republican now, so I doubt she'd have much chance being the democratic nominee.

Out of interest, do you vote here in the UK? Are you conservative leaning or is your backing of trump/Vance due to something else?

Only ever voted Labour, but Starmer made it more difficult. It was nearly a wasted vote.

As for the Trump thing, its because ive watched the lies and witch hunt unfold in the media and i dont like it. They did the same with Corbyn. BBC showing images of him looking soviet, ITV having that other evil prick Schofield roar in his face 1 day then pose for selfies with Johnson the next. So yeah, its backlash in response to that, that made me take a deeper look into it. I always knew the media was bad, as i said earlier, supporting Everton alone opens your eyes to the tricks they play.

On top of that, i genuinely think Trump is more centrist/Libertarian than the majority of GOP, which is why they hate him as well, but thats the side he took. You only have to look at the people who back them to see. RFK and Gabbard side with Trump, Dick and Liz Cheney side with Harris.

That says it all.

 

[Wizard]

His language? Like calling his opponents Hitler, and facist, and an existential threat to democracy?

JD Vance compared Trump to Hitler. Harris hasn’t.

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www.reuters.com

Trump has called Harris a fascist a few times and long before this week

CNN shows Trump calling Harris ‘fascist’ – after Vance condemns use of the word

JD Vance called for Democrats to reduce their ‘ridiculous and inflammatory political rhetoric’ as his running mate repeatedly calls Harris a ‘fascist’

www.independent.co.uk

And he’s called her a threat to democracy

Trump Goes Dark MAGA and Calls Harris ‘Threat to Democracy’

In a speech rife with exaggerations, Trump vowed to use a 1798 law to rid America of “stone cold killers.”

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[JimmyJeffers]

You must be a politician

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[bluestevon]

Gabbard is a republican now, so I doubt she'd have much chance being the democratic nominee.

Out of interest, do you vote here in the UK? Are you conservative leaning or is your backing of trump/Vance due to something else?

I'll answer that as well for myself, never voted once in the UK, zero point as I lived in 3 of the top 10-15 safest Labour seats - so giving them another vote seemed pointless (thanks electoral system). Post Blair is have not voted regardless as both parties morphed into clones in terms of policy in truth.

Never voted here as well as it's a similar situation of I'd have voted for the person who doesn't need the extra votes also.

Would I vote in the US, bloody hard to say tbh, I dislike trump, dislike the republicans historically, and dislike hugely the democrats from the mid Clinton point onwards. But that's coming from someone who isn't American.

If I was from there I'd likely vote for who'd 1. Be better for the economy. 2. Who'd stop foreign involvement or at least cut it back from the way it escalated post early 90s.

I think trump 'may' be best in both those areas, but it comes with it being a. Trump whose detestable on many levels, and b. The single thing most likely to permanently fracture an already teetering society cohesion.

Either way this goes, it's not gonna be pretty and it's just how ugly it gets post November. As don't see either party taking it and moving on

 

[BlueTX]

Conservative County Commissioner from purple Lancaster County, Pennsylvania:



The subject being investigated is a conservative activist, Scott Presler. The DA for Lancaster County is a Republican.

 

[Kever10]

JD Vance compared Trump to Hitler. Harris hasn’t.

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www.reuters.com

Trump has called Harris a fascist a few times and long before this week

CNN shows Trump calling Harris ‘fascist’ – after Vance condemns use of the word

JD Vance called for Democrats to reduce their ‘ridiculous and inflammatory political rhetoric’ as his running mate repeatedly calls Harris a ‘fascist’

www.independent.co.uk

And he’s called her a threat to democracy

Trump Goes Dark MAGA and Calls Harris ‘Threat to Democracy’

In a speech rife with exaggerations, Trump vowed to use a 1798 law to rid America of “stone cold killers.”

www.thedailybeast.com

In response. And why would he do that? Because she wasnt democratically voted or nominated, or because she allowed several million illegal immigramts to not only enter, but apply for citizenship?

Yeah, Vance did say that, and he owned it.

Tim Walz claimed he was a higher rank in the army, claimed he went to war, claimed he was at tiananmen square, all lies. But hes a knuckle head, so dont worry about it.

I wonder if he'll use the same excuse if these allegations go sny further?

 

[Ruairi77]

All politicians are liars ultimately.

Whilst I do t like Harris I find it hard to see how people could hate her at all, to be hated you have to have done something to generate that hate - not sure she has, doubt her competency or dislike her personality fine but hate nah can't see how.

Trump I can get why a lot do hate him, he has many traits and has said and done much to generate hatred from a lot of elements of society.

Now Hilary Clinton yup every day of the week, she'll rot in hell one day along side Maggie Thatcher

So you hate thatcher but you’re kinda ok with trump?

 

[bluestevon]

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Vance is a hard one to get a true picture of, he came kinda out of nowhere to be the VP nominee, and subsequently most of the reporting on him will have been influenced by the fact he's now tied to Trump - so not expecting a balanced analysis from the media

His background is solid, he's young at least, he comes across like he can actually think, but certainly in terms of especially US politics he has the ticking time bomb of his stance on abortion - the deflection of it's the individual state decision is cover for his obvious personal stance on it - as he would be crucified should he come out in public and state if he could he'd bsn all but the most extreme cases.

The stupid retweeting of the immigrants eating pets was 'you would hope' a case of a staffer manning the account and messing up, if he did it though it's a facepalm moment which doesn't bode well either.

Seen the names Gabbard and RFK bandied about as well earlier

One talks well but changes her politics quicker than a model changes clothes, zero conviction but sells herself as having strong values - another good talker self serving one.

RFK is living off the name of his father who was a genuine gifted politician not seen these days and his uncle who is still the poster boy that all modern politicians wish they could be. He himself though nah, a very very pale invitation with no real substance and some crackpot ideas

 

[efcste97]

Only ever voted Labour, but Starmer made it more difficult. It was nearly a wasted vote.

As for the Trump thing, its because ive watched the lies and witch hunt unfokd in the media and i dont like it. They did the same with Corbyn. BBC showing images of him looking soviet, ITV having that other evil prick Schofield roar in his face 1 day then pose for selfies with Johnson the next. So yeah, its backlash in response to that that made me take a deeper look into it. I always knew the media was bad, as i said earlier, supporting Everton alone opens your eyes to the tricks they play.

On top of that, i genuinely think Trump is more centrist/Libertarian than the majority if GOP, which is why they hate him as well, but thats the side he took. You only have to look at the people who back them to see. RFK and Gabbard side with Trump, [Poor language removed] and Liz Cheney side with Harris.

That says it all.

Comparing Trump to Corbyn doesn’t fit; Bernie Sanders is a more accurate parallel, especially since he should have been the Democratic nominee in 2016.

He's not centrist in the slightest, there's nothing libertarian about him, the Libertarian party hate him, he got booed at the Libertarian Party's national convention

RFK sides with trump cos he's a barm pot who believes the false promises trump has told him, Gabbard is a grifter. Lets see if she's anti-war when absolutely nothing changes under trump, or even worsens.