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Really was impressed/liked Castro last night. Thought he has a good shot at a VP chance on that showing.

Beto tho? Just go home and focus on the Senate. Honestly, they need to ask that the next round of debates. "Should you realize you aren't going to win the nomination, what are your plans?"

Democrats need a LOT of help in the Senate.
 
Really was impressed/liked Castro last night. Thought he has a good shot at a VP chance on that showing.

Beto tho? Just go home and focus on the Senate. Honestly, they need to ask that the next round of debates. "Should you realize you aren't going to win the nomination, what are your plans?"

Democrats need a LOT of help in the Senate.
There were worse showings than Beto tbh
 
Given it was the debate without the best known candidates in Biden/Sanders that is a pretty impressive figure.
yea, and I actually felt pretty positive after it. I was glad to see the likes of Castro doing well.
I actually don't think anyone had a terrible night.
Maybe Ryan and Beto could have done better.
 
also FWIW
I think Warren really screwed up raising her hand to the question about doing away with private health insurance.
Not sure what she was thinking but she's gonna get that thrown back at her time and time again if she goes far, and rightly so.
 
also FWIW
I think Warren really screwed up raising her hand to the question about doing away with private health insurance.
Not sure what she was thinking but she's gonna get that thrown back at her time and time again if she goes far, and rightly so.
She was coming under a lot of pressure from Sanders supporters about not being clear about her healthcare plans and think it was an attempt to win them over but think it will hurt her with older voters.
 
She was coming under a lot of pressure from Sanders supporters about not being clear about her healthcare plans and think it was an attempt to win them over but think it will hurt her with older voters.
I'm also not sure she believes it. She's running on the ticket of 'well regulated capitalism' not 'socialism'. This seems to run contrary to everything else she's proposing.

Also, there's no appeasing Sanders supporters. They bash her for not taking a stance and when she takes a stance they agree with, she gets accused of stealing bernies policies.
She'd be well advised to give him the same public attention she's giving trump
 
I'm also not sure she believes it. She's running on the ticket of 'well regulated capitalism' not 'socialism'. This seems to run contrary to everything else she's proposing.

Also, there's no appeasing Sanders supporters. They bash her for not taking a stance and when she takes a stance they agree with, she gets accused of stealing bernies policies.
She'd be well advised to give him the same public attention she's giving trump
It is also contrary to the “have a plan for that” meme. Setting up Medicare/Medicaid buy in would be comparatively straighforward but eliminating all private insurance is a logistical nightmare and I have seen nothing about how you’d even start to implement it. I agree with the concept that you shouldn’t get your healthcare through your work, and that there are many downsides to it, but that is the reality for over 150 million people and that is a huge number to transition to another scheme.
 
It is also contrary to the “have a plan for that” meme. Setting up Medicare/Medicaid buy in would be comparatively straighforward but eliminating all private insurance is a logistical nightmare and I have seen nothing about how you’d even start to implement it. I agree with the concept that you shouldn’t get your healthcare through your work, and that there are many downsides to it, but that is the reality for over 150 million people and that is a huge number to transition to another scheme.
yup, and even if you can transition people away from work based insurance, The wealthy will want super fancy care that's above and beyond what tax payers should be expected to fund.
I'm not even sure how you'd get rid of it. If there was no private insurance, private hospital networks could just charge a membership fee, same thing.
 
The ones that are on Medicare to begin with?
I do believe there might be a problem with those currently on Medicare as they will have to transition to the new Sanders Medicare plan, theoretically with more generous bonuses but there will be questions like “can I keep my doctor”.

However the older voters I was meaning were the over 45s but under 65s who are more likely to be on private heathcare plans through an employer.
 
I do believe there might be a problem with those currently on Medicare as they will have to transition to the new Sanders Medicare plan, theoretically with more generous bonuses but there will be questions like “can I keep my doctor”.

However the older voters I was meaning were the over 45s but under 65s who are more likely to be on private heathcare plans through an employer.
Im not far from that bottom age honestly, but the biggest issue I have with being soft on this. I just had someone in my company get fired after being with them for 22 years. He's out of a job. That's not that worst part. He has NO healthcare. Health care is basically a modern form of slavery in this country, it makes people unwilling to try to move out on their own because either a) they can't make enough money to afford it or b) they can't make enought money to afford someone else.

You're a slave to the company that pays your health insurance.
 
Im not far from that bottom age honestly, but the biggest issue I have with being soft on this. I just had someone in my company get fired after being with them for 22 years. He's out of a job. That's not that worst part. He has NO healthcare. Health care is basically a modern form of slavery in this country, it makes people unwilling to try to move out on their own because either a) they can't make enough money to afford it or b) they can't make enought money to afford someone else.

You're a slave to the company that pays your health insurance.
As I said above I am in full agreement that getting healthcare through employers is an awful way to do it - not only as you say does it restrict people starting up on their own or switching jobs but the time you are most likely to be unemployed is when you have a severe health issue and most need the coverage which is madness.

My issue is more the logistical one of how to transition off a model that has been in place since World War 2 and therefore has a lot of our modern day healthcare infrastructure built around it. I feel it more urgent to focus on those who currently have no coverage, provide help to those struggling to afford their premiums/co-pays and to open up Medicare/Medicaid to buy-ins all of which which I feel is achievable by a modest increase in taxes for the wealthy. I’d hope that as more people tried the buy-ins to Medicare it would gradually lead to more of a phase out of employer health plans.

i appreciate there are risks to that approach but the alternative, which is as I understand it move to Canada’s model of coverage for most healthcare funded by taxes within 4 years, is a logistical nightmare I can’t see how you practically implement even if there was broad based support which I just don’t see currently.
 
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