Current Affairs 2020 Democratic Primary

[BirkenheadBlue]

People judge candidates, in part, by their constituencies. Not every Trump voter is a white supremacist, necessarily, but white supremacist voters vote Trump.

Sanders disavows the most obnoxious elements among his support, but he always seems to follow up with speculation that they're not really his supporters at all, but Trump loving mischief makers or Russian bots. It comes off like he's just mouthing the disavowal while signaling that it's not really a problem. This does not inspire confidence in his ability or willingness to create coalitions or build consensus.

It’s also NOT just random online trolls. There’s fairly senior surrogates and campaign staffers of his who have engaged in pretty toxic behaviour towards both Warren, her supporters and other Dem candidates and theirs.

They’ve also appeared on (for example) podcasts that spent entire episodes on “The Snake Elizabeth Warren”

Furthermore, and perhaps most importantly, it speaks to an ability (or lack thereof) of the campaign to reach out, build coalitions and convince those that aren’t already believers... which WILL be necessary come the General.

 

[Death]

But NO ONE here (who previously supported Warren) is “taking it out on Bernie”.

Pretty much everyone in that category has said they like Bernie, and they like his policies, andthe vast majority if not all would prefer him as President to Biden

So.... what’s your point exactly?

Constantly Bringing it up and putting it to Bernie in the media and especially when Warren does it is not helping the progressive movement.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Constantly Bringing it up and putting it to Bernie in the media and especially when Warren does it is not helping the progressive movement.

She was asked a direct question about it.

And see my post above - it IS a concern, and it’s probably a concern to Warren because make No mistake, the behaviour of a section of his support will make it more difficult for him to 1) win the nomination 2) win the General

 

[USABlue]

Not sure why everyone thinks Biden will lose in the general? Regardless of your opinion of him and his policies, he is very popular with two large voting demographics (older whites and African Americans). Yes Bernie is dominating the youth vote and doing great with Latinos but the youth vote doesnt vote in the same numbers as the old. FWIW I fall in the youth demographic. I think Warren was the best candidate but at this point I think Biden is more likely to beat Trump which should be the priority.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Not sure why everyone thinks Biden will lose in the general? Regardless of your opinion of him and his policies, he is very popular with two large voting demographics (older whites and African Americans). Yes Bernie is dominating the youth vote and doing great with Latinos but the youth vote doesnt vote in the same numbers as the old. FWIW I fall in the youth demographic. I think Warren was the best candidate but at this point I think Biden is more likely to beat Trump which should be the priority.

Tend to agree on all of that, but I’m hoping the indicators turn in time, because I’d rather have Sanders as President.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Not sure why everyone thinks Biden will lose in the general? Regardless of your opinion of him and his policies, he is very popular with two large voting demographics (older whites and African Americans). Yes Bernie is dominating the youth vote and doing great with Latinos but the youth vote doesnt vote in the same numbers as the old. FWIW I fall in the youth demographic. I think Warren was the best candidate but at this point I think Biden is more likely to beat Trump which should be the priority.

The theory of the case for Sanders in the general has been a) mobilization of under 30s to vote b) attract back Obama-Trump rural and rust belt whites c) Latino support making some Southern states competitive.

So far in the primary, apart from Nevada, none of these has really been demonstrated.

 

[USABlue]

The theory of the case for Sanders in the general has been a) mobilization of under 30s to vote b) attract back Obama-Trump rural and rust belt whites c) Latino support making some Southern states competitive.

So far in the primary, apart from Nevada, none of these has really been demonstrated.

Also in the general winning back Florida will be important and his Castro comments arent likely to help him with that. If young people voted at higher levels Bernie would be fine but the reality is they just dont.

Youth turnout actually down in many places compared to 2016

Many young voters sat out Super Tuesday, contributing to Bernie Sanders' losses

Exit polls for Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia found young voters aren't showing up at the polls as much as 2016.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Death]

There’s plenty off one liner comparisons that I’d choose the candidate without wanting to hear anything else. They could be advocating collecting all the street dog waste and building homes for the homeless out of the material and I wouldn’t care.

like one candidate is backed by billionaires and corporations, the other isn’t.

one has the record of donors from working class people in the history of the states the other extremely far from that.

I don’t need to know anything else.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Also in the general winning back Florida will be important and his Castro comments arent likely to help him with that. If young people voted at higher levels Bernie would be fine but the reality is they just dont.

Youth turnout actually down in many places compared to 2016

Many young voters sat out Super Tuesday, contributing to Bernie Sanders' losses

Exit polls for Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia found young voters aren't showing up at the polls as much as 2016.

www.usatoday.com

Michigan was a razor thin Trump win in 2016 so is probably a more likely “get” in 2020 so the upcoming primary will tell us a lot.

 

[LinekersLegs]

There’s plenty off one liner comparisons that I’d choose the candidate without wanting to hear anything else. They could be advocating collecting all the street dog waste and building homes for the homeless out of the material and I wouldn’t care.

like one candidate is backed by billionaires and corporations, the other isn’t.

one has the record of donors from working class people in the history of the states the other extremely far from that.

I don’t need to know anything else.

A pretty key one in a democracy is “one is getting voters to tick their name at the voting booth and the other isn’t”

 

[Death]

A pretty key one in a democracy is “one is getting voters to tick their name at the voting booth and the other isn’t”

Correct and they are neck on neck. But let’s push the narrative been spun by the machine that Bernie has no hope and Biden has the “electability” so give up and vote for the corrupted candidate.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

There’s plenty off one liner comparisons that I’d choose the candidate without wanting to hear anything else. They could be advocating collecting all the street dog waste and building homes for the homeless out of the material and I wouldn’t care.

like one candidate is backed by billionaires and corporations, the other isn’t.

one has the record of donors from working class people in the history of the states the other extremely far from that.

I don’t need to know anything else.

I think you've fairly accurately described Trump in the '16 Republican Primary vs the others.

One reason why nuance is important.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Correct and they are neck on neck. But let’s push the narrative been spun by the machine that Bernie has no hope and Biden has the “electability” so give up and vote for the corrupted candidate.

One just has a longer neck than the other...


And no it doesn’t mean that Bernie has no hope but he does need to surprise on the upside in the next primaries or that “electability“ perception difference will become wider and the delegate math near impossible. And that means converting other candidates’ voters to Sanders voters which, at least online, seems to having a few teething issues.

We’ve talked about winning Warren voters over to Sanders but I doubt calling Biden senile or corrupted (whatever the truth of those charges) will be effective on Biden curious voters - it sure as hell didn’t seem to make a difference with 2016 Trump voters when Clinton tried it.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Death]

I think you've fairly accurately described Trump in the '16 Republican Primary vs the others.

One reason why nuance is important.

Haha no it does not. Trump was swimming in that corporate money.