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Death said:
Warren supporters are too sensitive. Bernie has never gone after Warren. He’s been respectful of her but because they run into trolls online they hate Bernie. Warren supporters go around calling people sexist or allude to it all the time. But I don’t stick Warren with that brush because of her fans. (She does it herself enough unfortunately) but Bernie condemns any vitriolic behaviour from his “supporters”.

yet just hours ago Warren was on Maddow going after Bernie for not doing more to shut his supporters up and stuff. She has been extremely damaging to the progressive movement. Showing no class.
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Im going to get swarmed. I was angry. Im calm now be gentle Biden bros (formally liz lids).
 
Death said:
Warren supporters are too sensitive. Bernie has never gone after Warren. He’s been respectful of her but because they run into trolls online they hate Bernie. Warren supporters go around calling people sexist or allude to it all the time. But I don’t stick Warren with that brush because of her fans. (She does it herself enough unfortunately) but Bernie condemns any vitriolic behaviour from his “supporters”.
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So you believe a massive establishment conspiracy is at work to bring Sanders down, but you don't believe sexism is a real issue? Did you see Warren's statement the other day on the topic of sexism? She said that if she complained about sexism in the campaign she'd just get called a whiner, and if she said that sexism wasn't an issue in the campaign a bazillion women would think she was nuts. Sexism isn't a rhetorical gambit. It's a clear and present aspect of American politics (and American everything else), and denying it is a hallmark of liars and simpletons.
 
Death said:
Bernie wants a debate with Biden ASAP asking for one before Tuesday. The Biden camp not so much.

wonder why.
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because biden is now ahead in pretty much every poll national by 8-14points lol.. and biden was terrible to average in every debate so far but it was hidden due to so many people on stage... never seen someone do so bad in debates become a front runner before.. the establishment is really desperate lol.
 
Death said:
Warren supporters are too sensitive. Bernie has never gone after Warren. He’s been respectful of her but because they run into trolls online they hate Bernie. Warren supporters go around calling people sexist or allude to it all the time. But I don’t stick Warren with that brush because of her fans. (She does it herself enough unfortunately) but Bernie condemns any vitriolic behaviour from his “supporters”.

yet just hours ago Warren was on Maddow going after Bernie for not doing more to shut his supporters up and stuff. She has been extremely damaging to the progressive movement. Showing no class.
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Are you ok mate? Do you need a hug? Never seen someone veer between sensible and... otherwise... on such a short cycle.
 
sdk said:
So you believe a massive establishment conspiracy is at work to bring Sanders down, but you don't believe sexism is a real issue? Did you see Warren's statement the other day on the topic of sexism? She said that if she complained about sexism in the campaign she'd just get called a whiner, and if she said that sexism wasn't an issue in the campaign a bazillion women would think she was nuts. Sexism isn't a rhetorical gambit. It's a clear and present aspect of American politics (and American everything else), and denying it is a hallmark of liars and simpletons.
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Off course sexism, racism and so on is a big issue. But why Bernie who is not a sexist is getting the brunt off I dono.
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
Are you ok mate? Do you need a hug? Never seen someone veer between sensible and... otherwise... on such a short cycle.
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Between sensible and talking smack about your Warren? She has been good as a progressive. But has been harmful towards Bernie. Some of my favourite bands have musicians with insanely stupid opinions. But I never take that out on the music.
 
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Off course sexism, racism and so on is a big issue. But why Bernie who is not a sexist is getting the brunt off I dono.
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People judge candidates, in part, by their constituencies. Not every Trump voter is a white supremacist, necessarily, but white supremacist voters vote Trump.

Sanders disavows the most obnoxious elements among his support, but he always seems to follow up with speculation that they're not really his supporters at all, but Trump loving mischief makers or Russian bots. It comes off like he's just mouthing the disavowal while signaling that it's not really a problem. This does not inspire confidence in his ability or willingness to create coalitions or build consensus.
 
sdk said:
People judge candidates, in part, by their constituencies. Not every Trump voter is a white supremacist, necessarily, but white supremacist voters vote Trump.

Sanders disavows the most obnoxious elements among his support, but he always seems to follow up with speculation that they're not really his supporters at all, but Trump loving mischief makers or Russian bots. It comes off like he's just mouthing the disavowal while signaling that it's not really a problem. This does not inspire confidence in his ability or willingness to create coalitions or build consensus.
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But Trumps message breads racism you can understand the correlation between that and blame Trump on it. Bernie gets his fare share of bigotry and vitriol but he doesn’t make a problem out of it. He doesn’t go after Warren supporters for toxicity don’t say it doesn’t exist. He condemns it everywhere. He has to stand up for himself in some capacity with all the attacks he gets over it he can’t just bow the head and give in. His policy and his stances are clear. He doesn’t deni it but me personally I don’t think he has to defend himself over what madness happens online he has no control over and doesn’t support.
 
Death said:
Between sensible and talking smack about your Warren? She has been good as a progressive. But has been harmful towards Bernie. Some of my favourite bands have musicians with insanely stupid opinions. But I never take that out on the music.
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But NO ONE here (who previously supported Warren) is “taking it out on Bernie”.

Pretty much everyone in that category has said they like Bernie, and they like his policies, andthe vast majority if not all would prefer him as President to Biden

So.... what’s your point exactly?
 
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