Current Affairs 2020 Democratic Primary

[mezzrow]

How can spending half a billion dollars be so ineffective?
"Look over here, Raggy!"

 

[TN Toffee]

I'm not sure that the wailing and gnashing of teeth over which soon-to-be-octogenarian faces Trump is all that justified. I realize that this will be controversial, but hear me out.

From a domestic policy standpoint, it doesn't much matter who wins a given party's primary. Whoever becomes president is still dealing with the same Congress, and the president is just one of many veto points on any given piece of legislation. You need a full party switch rather than an intra-party one for the switch to matter in most polarized configurations. As an example, if you're getting Medicare-for-all because the votes in Congress are there, you're getting it with Sanders' support or over Biden's objections. But Trump can and will block anything short of the override supermajority.

Now, foreign policy is a whole different matter, and the ideology of appointmented officials can shift substantially due to such a presidential switch (eg: Reagan never appoints Souter). Selecting the nominee is thus not a purely tactical, win-the-general choice. But if you're making that call on the legislative package the candidate is running on, you're probably doing it wrong unless that candidate is named Ronald Reagan (who broke all the rules, thus proving them).

Nothing particularly controversial about anything in this post IMO. It also serves to highlight why it’s so critically important at this juncture to just pick the guy who is most capable of beating Trump. Most of the discussion in here has centered around health care policies and Trump just acting like an embarrassing buffoon. However, possibly the most dire consequence of him getting a second term is that it would very likely give him the opportunity to appoint at least one, and possibly two more justices to the Supreme Court. If he is able to stack the court with a 7-2 majority, it will almost certainly set women’s and LGBT rights back into the 1960’s for the next 20-30 years.

 

[Death]

lol

 

[Ruairi77]

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haha, best episode ever.
Biden does sound a bit like the second pat short!

 

[Death]

Nothing particularly controversial about anything in this post IMO. It also serves to highlight why it’s so critically important at this juncture to just pick the guy who is most capable of beating Trump. Most of the discussion in here has centered around health care policies and Trump just acting like an embarrassing buffoon. However, possibly the most dire consequence of him argetting a second term is that it would very likely give him the opportunity to appoint at least one, and possibly two more justices to the Supreme Court. If he is able to stack the court with a 7-2 majority, it will almost certainly set women’std to get and LGBT rights back into the 1960’s for the next 20-30 years.

The country is in favour of most of the policy Bernie wants to get done. If people are worried about the political system and how hard congress and so on would fight it and if it’s futile so it only comes down to getting trump out of offices he doesn’t hire more of his people for Supreme Court then the system needs to be torn down.

 

[Ruairi77]

The country is in favour of most of the policy Bernie wants to get done. If people are worried about the political system and how hard congress and so on would fight it and if it’s futile so it only comes down to getting trump out of offices he doesn’t hire more of his people for Supreme Court then the system needs to be torn down.

if only Bernie wanted to get rid of the filibuster. The mind boggles as to why he doesn't.

 

[TN Toffee]

The country is in favour of most of the policy Bernie wants to get done. If people are worried about the political system and how hard congress and so on would fight it and if it’s futile so it only comes down to getting trump out of offices he doesn’t hire more of his people for Supreme Court then the system needs to be torn down.

I’m almost 100% sure most of the country isn’t in favor of Bernie’s plan to abolish health insurance companies outright. Even within a MFA system, I think a lot of people would still like to at least have the option to purchase a private supplement if they have the means to do so.

I’m much less attuned to the nation’s pulse on free college for all. I’ve talked to some who think it’s a good idea, given the right conditions, and others who are against it altogether. As for complete forgiveness of student debt, I don’t think there is a widespread appetite for that. Philosophically I’m completely against it, but would also be willing and interested to listen to arguments on how it might be economically beneficial to the country as a whole.

As far as environmental issues go, I know that my part of the country isn’t going to favor any sort of Green New Deal, which is kind of strange because a lot of people in this area benefit and are employed in jobs created by the original New Deal almost 100 years ago. Too many people are outright deniers of climate change, or are too short sighted to grasp that a program like that is capable of creating a lot of new jobs that would replace ones that could be lost. Other parts of the country that aren’t still getting their electricity from coal power plants might see things differently.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Ruairi77]

As far as environmental issues go, I know that my part of the country isn’t going to favor any sort of Green New Deal, which is kind of strange because a lot of people in this area benefit and are employed in jobs created by the original New Deal almost 100 years ago. Too many people are outright deniers of climate change, or are too short sighted to grasp that a program like that is capable of creating a lot of new jobs that would replace ones that could be lost. Other parts of the country that aren’t still getting their electricity from coal power plants might see things differently.

yea, in Massachusetts where people trip over their egos bragging about how liberal and outward they are and how environmentally concerned they are, Biden got 34% of the dem vote. He gets an F on environmental issues.
People like to give lip service to the green new deal but that's about it.
And somehow Bernie still had all the kids he brought out in 16 but completely failed to add the kids of 2020.
I think teenagers are completely disillusioned even with bernie.

 

[Ruairi77]

Well, according to the NYT Warren is dropping out later today
two grumpy old fellas fighting it out so.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Well, according to the NYT Warren is dropping out later today
two grumpy old fellas fighting it out so.

 

[Ruairi77]

I really am baffled at how she was rejected. She was a smarter, younger, female version of Sanders who was actually a democrat and got things done.
I used to think the sexism thing was overblown maybe because I wasn't a fan of Clinton but it's hard to see past it now.
edit: Warren, not Gabbard obviously

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Amazed at how sad and disappointed i am at the final confirmation of Warren dropping out.

She would have made a truly fantastic President, and would have eviscerated Trump in the debates (assuming he didn’t chicken out of them)

 

[sdk]

Alas, she's out. Very unfortunate.

 

[glorydaze]

Guess USA not ready for intelligent women yet, sad that she has been rejected.