Current Affairs 2017 General Election

2017 general election

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 24 6.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 264 71.0%

  • Tories

    Votes: 41 11.0%

  • Cheese on the ballot paper

    Votes: 35 9.4%

  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.1%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Total voters
    372
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gorgeousgeorgeEFC said:
I was listening to a radio phone-in earlier and they had an utter bozo of a caller on:


Caller: "I can't believe the Tories are sending a billion quid to a foreign country, d'you know what I mean? This DUP thing is out of order. They can find the magic money tree for May's foreign mates, but they can't find it for our schools and that."

Host: "Northern Ireland is part of the UK."

Caller: "Oh right, yeah. It's not like they need the cash, though. Haven't they got oil up there?"

Host: "I think your're confusing Northern Ireland with Scotland."
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Nuggets like that delivered Brexit
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Because it'd be the barometer of how the nation felt on the issue in the present. It'd supersede the previous one same as the 2017 GE superseded the 2015 one, that's sort of how this democracy thing works mate :)
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I'm not sure this theory works or applies to the triggering of article 50 though which has started a 2 year process whereby many deals need to be made in relation to how the UK will continue after we have left the EU, and how the EU members will be affected. It is not just a UK issue as it affects other nations.

It's a complex process and to keep holding referendums every year to gauge 'how the nation feels at present' would make a mockery of the whole thing. Your democracy comment would surely then lead to an abuse of the system by various sides including Sturgeon demanding a second Independence referendum, and political parties asking for far more frequent General Elections when they don't get the outcome they want.

It would turn in to a farcical situation.
 
EFC78 said:
I'm not sure this theory works or applies to the triggering of article 50 though which has started a 2 year process whereby many deals need to be made in relation to how the UK will continue after we have left the EU, and how the EU members will be affected. It is not just a UK issue as it affects other nations.

It's a complex process and to keep holding referendums every year to gauge 'how the nation feels at present' would make a mockery of the whole thing. Your democracy comment would surely then lead to an abuse of the system by various sides including Sturgeon demanding a second Independence referendum, and political parties asking for far more frequent General Elections when they don't get the outcome they want.

It would turn in to a farcical situation.
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I wasn't advocating having a 2nd referendum though, merely arguing that the view that IF one was called it'd be somehow undemocratic was nads.
 
It is not the money that is being used to buy the DUP votes which concerns me as such.

Unfortunately that is Pork Barrel politics and is played throughout the "free world" to keep leaders or governments in power.

It is what other sweeteners the DUP have been offered.

Particularly the toxic issue of Orange parades in Ulster.

The DUP despise the Parades Commission and unless things have changed, do not even recognise it.

If we are going to see Orange parades forced through Catholic areas then damn May for the mayhem that will ensue from that.
 
Khalekan said:
It is not the money that is being used to buy the DUP votes which concerns me as such.

Unfortunately that is Pork Barrel politics and is played throughout the "free world" to keep leaders or governments in power.

It is what other sweeteners the DUP have been offered.

Particularly the toxic issue of Orange parades in Ulster.

The DUP despise the Parades Commission and unless things have changed, do not even recognise it.

If we are going to see Orange parades forced through Catholic areas then damn May for the mayhem that will ensue from that.
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Her own Party will do that before long.
On another point:
At this point, the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 was passed. Elections are now every 5 years, barring parliamentary vote. Before this, the election could be called at any point the Prime Minister wish

How could May call this latest debacle.
 
degsy said:
Her own Party will do that before long.
On another point:
At this point, the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 was passed. Elections are now every 5 years, barring parliamentary vote. Before this, the election could be called at any point the Prime Minister wish

How could May call this latest debacle.
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She followed the FTP Act:

"And so tomorrow I will move a motion in the House of Commons calling for a general election to be held on 8 June. That motion, as set out by the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act, will require a two-thirds majority of the House of Commons".

She had the votes then....I love this from her announcement speech:

"Division in Westminster will risk our ability to make a success of Brexit and it will cause damaging uncertainty and instability to the country.

"So we need a general election and we need one now, because we have at this moment a one-off chance to get this done while the European Union agrees its negotiating position and before the detailed talks begin."

:oops:



 

Heidi Allen
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@heidiallen75
New DUP cash must surely mean funding will be urgently reviewed for pub sector wages, schools, social care, Univ Credit across whole UK too?
9:06 am - 27 Jun 2017
 
EFC78 said:
I'm not sure this theory works or applies to the triggering of article 50 though which has started a 2 year process whereby many deals need to be made in relation to how the UK will continue after we have left the EU, and how the EU members will be affected. It is not just a UK issue as it affects other nations.

It's a complex process and to keep holding referendums every year to gauge 'how the nation feels at present' would make a mockery of the whole thing. Your democracy comment would surely then lead to an abuse of the system by various sides including Sturgeon demanding a second Independence referendum, and political parties asking for far more frequent General Elections when they don't get the outcome they want.

It would turn in to a farcical situation.
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A farcical situation? As opposed to the well oiled machine of democratic procedure we are currently motoring through? :)
 
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