Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[The binman chronicles]

What a mess - she needs to go and go now for the sake of our country

To be honest that will only plunge the country into more problems. This is the best result for Labour, either we have another election later this year with another Tory leader and there aren't many obvious candidates there Or they hobble to brexit, knowing she will need to go at somepoint anyhow. Any fallout will kill them further.

Let May get on with business as it will be a delight watching her squirm.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

With regards to Brexit, this is the worst possible result. Not only have we wasted a couple of months of negotiating time, we're now left with a situation where May will almost certainly resign, and a fresh election will be called in the autumn. So we'll not only look completely shambolic as a nation, but we will have wasted over 25% of what was already an incredibly tight negotiating timetable. It's a complete and utter mess.

 

[Eggs]

Or, she needs to get everyone together and make some deals. Not iron fist politics that she wanted, but compromise.

Now there also won't be a split in the Labour party, that will also see a drift towards the centre so we can have some decent discussions.

..although Corbyn appears to have rekindled the youth vote, it will still take the migration of traditional Tory to gain power. I fear Corbyn will always have too many skeletons in his cupboard to manage that final leap. Interesting that you see a 'drift to the centre', but I suppose there is a chance that Momentum supporting Corbynists will see this as an opportunity to push the other way.

If Labour are clever they could return to power at the next election.

 

[edge]

Wise words, mate, but there's a large part of me wants to see her make a total Jeremy Hunt of things before resigning in shame.

Can't see her going, unless the DUP want her head on a plate as a price for support.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

To be honest that will only plunge the country into more problems. This is the best result for Labour, either we have another election later this year with another Tory leader and there aren't many obvious candidates there Or they hobble to brexit, knowing she will need to go at somepoint anyhow. Any fallout will kill them further.

Let May get on with business as it will be a delight watching her squirm.

I'm sorry, but no it won't. This is the most important period in modern British history. I want someone who is capable of negotiating Brexit sensibly and competently, and we've got a lame duck leader who is bloody rubbish. The notion that she carry on so Labour can score political points whilst the country suffers is frankly absurd.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

As the UK’s general election results roll in, it’s clear that Theresa May’s gamble has not paid off. She hoped that in holding a snap general election she could secure a landslide Conservative majority. She has failed.

This general election, dubbed the Brexit election, provided very little clarity and specific details on what Brexit negotiations would be and what a post-Brexit UK would look like.

Now, there will not be the strong and stable government by the time Brexit negotations begin on June 19. That will have a big impact on Brexit.

The EU27 want to begin negotiations as soon as possible. They want a UK government with a clear mandate and a PM that has a clear indication of what he or she wants from Brexit. The Brexit clock started ticking when May triggered Article 50 in March. Taking six weeks out of the two-year Brexit negotiating window to conduct a general election was risky, as it has eaten into the time available to deal with the EU. Now, with so much uncertainty about how the next government will be formed, more time will inevitably be lost.

Anything other than a single party government means another delay in Brexit negotiations.

It would be possible to request an Article 50 pause or extension but whether it will be approved by the EU27 is another matter. The Lisbon Treaty has no provision within it to provide this extension or pause mechanism so there is no obvious legal rule. This will be a political decision and will give an indication of mood of the EU27 towards the UK.

Whether the UK is on course for a hard or soft Brexit will depend on the composition of the government but Article 50 is driven by the EU – the balance of power is with EU27.

In sum, the general election result has massive potential to interrupt Article 50 talks. It could delay Brexit and has weakened the UK’s negotiating position. The next parliament will face the excruciating task of forming a government, and that government will need to navigate difficult decisions as it moves towards delivering Brexit to a deeply divided and polarised nation. All of this instability and uncertainty could mean that the electorate will probably be back at the polls before 2022.

Giving Article 50 notification in March and then holding a general election in June has been shown to be misguided. It underlines how little Brexit mattered in May’s decision to hold this vote. The Brexit election was not about Brexit, it was political opportunism. And the electorate has noticed.

https://theconversation.com/general-election-2017-what-does-this-mean-for-brexit-79185

 

[The binman chronicles]

I'm sorry, but no it won't. This is the most important period in modern British history. I want someone who is capable of negotiating Brexit sensibly and competently, and we've got a lame duck leader who is bloody rubbish. The notion that she carry on so Labour can score political points whilst the country suffers is frankly absurd.

Righto, What would you like them to do?

Say the Tories want her out, lots of infighting leads to probably another election before brexit talks can take place.

Or Labour form a minority government, having to rely on nationlists and everyone else to support. Nah, no chance.

Who's to say if there is another election it doesn't end up in the same hung result.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Righto, What would you like them to do?

Say the Tories want her out, lots of infighting leads to probably another election before brexit talks can take place.

Or Labour form a minority government, having to rely on nationlists and everyone else to support. Nah, no chance.

Who's to say if there is another election it doesn't end up in the same hung result.

I don't know. I really don't know. Ever since Cameron agreed to hold the bloody referendum in the first place it has been one mess after another.

 

[orly]

But can you imagine the effect that this cobbled together coalition would have on the BREXIT negotiations - It would be a dysfunctional commitee flapping around with our futures. The EU negotiating team must be licking their lips at the prospect of dry-bumming us to death.

A personal reflection only mate, but I think the Brexit team we were going to send - and their mindset - was an extension of the Empire days. They were going to try and bulldoze it. As soon as Macron won that was a no-hope strategy.

 

[Tubey]

If you're a Corbyn supporter, you should be praying that May goes for a DUP arrangement, because if she does it a ) won't work and b ) will mean the Tories are absolutely slaughtered in the next GE within 6 - 12 months.

People will not stomach the Tories doing it given what it means in the context of Northern Ireland, and they're stupid "coalition of chaos" attack is dead in the water forever.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

A personal reflection only mate, but I think the Brexit team we were going to send - and their mindset - was an extension of the Empire days. They were going to try and bulldoze it. As soon as Macron won that was a no-hope strategy.

Agreed mate - but we're still gonna get bummed

 

[Billy Dean]

I don't know. I really don't know. Ever since Cameron agreed to hold the bloody referendum in the first place it has been one mess after another.

Who is causing all the mess? It's the Tories. They look like they're going to die a slow death and we have to wait that out. I don't see why EU27 wouldn't allow a pause or extension. It wouldn't make sense for them to play hardball on that.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

A personal reflection only mate, but I think the Brexit team we were going to send - and their mindset - was an extension of the Empire days. They were going to try and bulldoze it. As soon as Macron won that was a no-hope strategy.

To be honest, the only solution I can see is flopping out with bugger all in place, or we go with our tail between our legs and beg for it all to be forgotten. There's not a hope in hell that we'll have any kind of reasonable deal by March 2019.

 

[orly]

..although Corbyn appears to have rekindled the youth vote, it will still take the migration of traditional Tory to gain power. I fear Corbyn will always have too many skeletons in his cupboard to manage that final leap. Interesting that you see a 'drift to the centre', but I suppose there is a chance that Momentum supporting Corbynists will see this as an opportunity to push the other way.

If Labour are clever they could return to power at the next election.

Corbyn might well do - his inner circle certainly do, although I think Abbott could be retired into an advisory type role, minster without portfolio if Labour form a government - but because so many of the PLP stepped aside or withdrew their support, and because it looked like an utter thrashing when candidate nominations were being finalised, you now have a huge surge in female and young MPs that benefited from last night.

Those in power move the centre - and to get into power now (because of the final seat count) - there will need to be compromise. Compromise involves finding a centre ground.

 

[Tubey]

A personal reflection only mate, but I think the Brexit team we were going to send - and their mindset - was an extension of the Empire days. They were going to try and bulldoze it. As soon as Macron won that was a no-hope strategy.

Correct, but that said we were screwed on Brexit regardless. At least this result gives the outside chance that parliament may get a truly free vote on whatever the EU give us (there's no negotiation; there never was, we had nothing to negotiate with or against).