Current Affairs 2017 General Election

2017 general election

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 24 6.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 264 71.0%
  • Tories

    Votes: 41 11.0%
  • Cheese on the ballot paper

    Votes: 35 9.4%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.1%

  • Total voters
    372
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The Tories do seem bleeding support as they continue their shambolic campaign.

Theresa May has completely misjudged this; Firstly, she wanted to turn it into an election about Brexit, but as the campaign has drawn on then it has become about what all elections are about - domestic issues, NHS, education, tax etc. Secondly, she was completely wrong to call the election so far (7 weeks!), it should have been a short campaign for a snap election to inject more urgency.

That said, the YouGov numbers are very much still an outlier. As Andrew Wells of ukpollingreport often reminds us, it is usually the rogue poll that draws the headlines while it is also most likely to be plain wrong if all the other polls do not agree. The Con lead is shrinking, no doubt, but in reality probably still healthy enough for a convincing Westminster majority. Also, don't forget in 2015 that YouGov published their own alternative Exit Poll on election night which was proven spectacularly wrong.

The real business end of the election starts in the last week, imo. I always thought the surge in the Con lead when the election was called was completely unrealistic and would narrow through the campaign. It could well continue to narrow in the next few days, but I also think that in the last 48hrs as people weigh up the choices before them then we'll see a late move back to the Con.

Ultimately I think that people place too much emphasis on the ups and downs of election campaign. Stuff like Leaders debates, gaffs, etc are largely forgotten about in the days leading up to the election and the vast majority of people overwhelmingly go with the party who they are most naturally aligned with since the last election.
 
Because the SNP are pretty much universally scorned within England? It also seems very hypocritical that a party that wants away from Britain get to be king makers. People wouldn't like it.

Haha. Nicola Sturgeon is held in higher esteem than May and the Tories. During the referendum campaign most people were saying they wish Labour had a leader like her. It is only the state controlled Tory BBC and the Tories who are 'scornful' of Sturgeon and the SNP.
 
Well, when anyone goes beyond the act of simply leaving the EU it's complete conjecture.
Which is most likely to 'break up Britain', May just doing what she wants without a real mandate, or Government and the devolved regions working together?

I think your chainmail's too tight, or your visor's fallen over your eyes mate.
I'm not sure if you're deliberately trying to not see the point I'm making in order to point score. The SNP are disliked by voters in England. Are people in England not going to feel betrayed if a party they vote for cosies up to the SNP? Is it not going to become a stick that opposition parties use to beat any type of coalition? Would it, in turn, not see a party lose long term support in England if they are seen to be getting in bed with the SNP?
 
So now that this tightening up, this Yank has to ask a question of those closer to the action...

What's the chance of a Labour-SNP coalition? Corbyn's Labour and the SNP are close on economic issues, but their positions on Brexit seem inconsolable
The SNP aren't interested in becoming part of the UK government. They exist for an independent Scotland and it's all they really care about, it would be difficult for them to fight the establishment of Westminster when they'd be a part of it.
 
Haha. Nicola Sturgeon is held in higher esteem than May and the Tories. During the referendum campaign most people were saying they wish Labour had a leader like her. It is only the state controlled Tory BBC and the Tories who are 'scornful' of Sturgeon and the SNP.
Really? I've never met anyone south of the border, from across the political spectrum, who has had a good thing to say about her.

And weren't people saying that as at the time they had turgid Ed Milliband who seemingly stood for nothing? Arguably Labour now have someone like Sturgeon as a leader - someone who is forthright in their views and sticks to their principles.
 
Really? I've never met anyone south of the border, from across the political spectrum, who has had a good thing to say about her.

And weren't people saying that as at the time they had turgid Ed Milliband who seemingly stood for nothing? Arguably Labour now have someone like Sturgeon as a leader - someone who is forthright in their views and sticks to their principles.

I think you need to get out more. Sturgeon is admired in England for the way she stood up to the Tories during the referendum campaign and after. Until Corbyn was elected leader of the Labour party, they hardly laid a finger on the Tories lies and actions. That is why a lot of people liked what Sturgeon was saying. Anti Tories in England, the vast majority of the population, will not bat an eyelid if there is a hung parliament and the possibility of a Labour/SNP/SDLP/Plaid/Greens coalition. Which will become the central Tory plan of attacking Labour, aided by the state controlled Tory BBC, because they are getting hammered ideologically, politically and economically shown to be illiterate.
 
Like @hullefc said.

SNP are only strong because of the chasm between Westminster-centric policy and the interests of the Scottish people. Working together rather than demonising could help the UK.


I'm not sure if you're deliberately trying to not see the point I'm making in order to point score. The SNP are disliked by voters in England. Are people in England not going to feel betrayed if a party they vote for cosies up to the SNP? Is it not going to become a stick that opposition parties use to beat any type of coalition? Would it, in turn, not see a party lose long term support in England if they are seen to be getting in bed with the SNP?
 
I think you need to get out more. Sturgeon is admired in England for the way she stood up to the Tories during the referendum campaign and after. Until Corbyn was elected leader of the Labour party, they hardly laid a finger on the Tories lies and actions. That is why a lot of people liked what Sturgeon was saying. Anti Tories in England, the vast majority of the population, will not bat an eyelid if there is a hung parliament and the possibility of a Labour/SNP/SDLP/Plaid/Greens coalition. Which will become the central Tory plan of attacking Labour, aided by the state controlled Tory BBC, because they are getting hammered ideologically, politically and economically shown to be illiterate.
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Nicola_Sturgeon

Don't peddle nonsense, nowhere near admired in this country.
 
Like @hullefc said.

SNP are only strong because of the chasm between Westminster-centric policy and the interests of the Scottish people. Working together rather than demonising could help the UK.
But now you're going off on utter tangents. The simple point remains is that a coalition with the SNP wouldn't go down well with English voters.
 
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Nicola_Sturgeon

Don't peddle nonsense, nowhere near admired in this country.

Haha. You need to look a bit more carefully at what you post., 27 000 'disliked' and 24 000 odd didn't dislike. Where were all those polled living England, Scotland, Outer Mongolia, China? Was noticeable how 'universally dislike the Tories are', not one in the top 40. I think I can take it as read that the statement about the SNP and Sturgeon being 'universally disliked in England' is bunkum.
 
No i'm not, don't be such a drama queen, 'utter tangents' and 'There would be bloodshed' indeed, lol.

Rather than stating generalisations, surely it depends upon how they work together, IF they do and need to agree to work together as a coalition.

You still haven't answered my question regarding the best approach for the United Kingdom.
But now you're going off on utter tangents. The simple point remains is that a coalition with the SNP wouldn't go down well with English voters.
 
But now you're going off on utter tangents. The simple point remains is that a coalition with the SNP wouldn't go down well with English voters.

You have no evidence for this. The vast vast majority of people in this country will vote anti Tory. 'Anyone but the Tories' will be what the vast vast majority of people who vote will feel and would not be out on the streets if there was a coalition of Labour/SNP/Plaid/SDLP/Greens that in fact would represent the whole of the UK. The Tories have began starting to 'frighten' people with the prospect of a coalition. But like every other attack against Labour it has been batted away and made the Tories look amateurish and stupid - weak and unstable and 'universally disliked'.
 
I'm not sure if you're deliberately trying to not see the point I'm making in order to point score. The SNP are disliked by voters in England. Are people in England not going to feel betrayed if a party they vote for cosies up to the SNP? Is it not going to become a stick that opposition parties use to beat any type of coalition? Would it, in turn, not see a party lose long term support in England if they are seen to be getting in bed with the SNP?
I live in England and I don't dislike them. As do many people I speak to
 
Haha. You need to look a bit more carefully at what you post., 27 000 'disliked' and 24 000 odd didn't dislike. Where were all those polled living England, Scotland, Outer Mongolia, China? Was noticeable how 'universally dislike the Tories are', not one in the top 40. I think I can take it as read that the statement about the SNP and Sturgeon being 'universally disliked in England' is bunkum.
Go a bit deeper - go into the demographics that the actual You Gov polls actually produce - https://yougov.co.uk/profileslite#/Nicola_Sturgeon/demographics

She's not popular in England.

https://yougov.co.uk/profileslite#/Scottish_National_Party/demographics
Neither, particularly is the SNP.

Keep peddling your nonsense mate.
 
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