Current Affairs 2017 General Election

2017 general election

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 24 6.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 264 71.0%
  • Tories

    Votes: 41 11.0%
  • Cheese on the ballot paper

    Votes: 35 9.4%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.1%

  • Total voters
    372
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Diane has vacated her CFP duties again and was on the disaster rampage today

Most of the fieldwork for these was before Corbyn on BBC with Neil, and before Diane today. I just sense this was the narrowing you expect in a campaign when the polls started so wide, but it will now start to float out to double figures again. Tories could obviously massively cock up again, especially with Theresa looking far from a natural.
 
There's lots been said about Corbyn's stance on Irish matters. And I'm not going to get into them as they are mostly purely subjective, and none of us knew his mind when he acted as he did. And none of us can say accurately one way or another who or what he supported or didn't support. We all have our opinions on it and opinions is what they are.

There is one absolute lie being pedalled by Corbyn's supporters however, and that is that Corbyn was vital to the peace process. And that is pissing me off. He was not even involved. The SDLP said they never met him. He wasn't involved in any formal peace talks. He voted against the Anglo Irish Agreement (attempt to start up powersharing in 86). No one here had even heard of him prior to 18 months ago.

So basically don't try to bluff those of us who live here.
One thing I would addend to this Tim; Corbyn and Livingstone reached out a hand to Adams when he was attempting to steer Republicanism down a political route. I personally think this was important in Adams' message to militants re how he could open political doors and achieve a United Ireland that way.

While Corbyn was by no means a player in negotiations, he did make a contribution in moving the IRA into politics.
 
Copied this one earlier.....


'Here's what I'm really struggling to understand...

All I've ever heard from people, for years, is
"bloody bankers and their bonuses"
"bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
"bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
"bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
“it'll never change, there's no point in voting”
And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.

But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich.
The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.

So The media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with…
“she's strong and stable”
“he's a clown”
“he's not a leader”
“look he can't even control his own party”
“he'll ruin the economy”
“how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
“AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”

And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them.
We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying
“he's a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she's strong and stable”
“he'll take us back to the 70s”

And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. Theres no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) Because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.

And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.
You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
You think the barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns topshop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?

And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.

Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie, he can't lie, he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us.
He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.
His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there. Unlike the tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.
And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone.
The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.

Good, [Poor language removed] them, it's long overdue."
 
I think a large part of the problem is island mentality. A load of these older "proud Brits" are heinous xenophobes who need to travel the world somewhat, and not on package holidays. The small town chest thumping bigots. Britain ceased to be important many decades ago. Stop pinning your self pride to a nationality you beauts, just be you.
 
Claiming that Corbyn isn't part of 'The Establishment' is to ignore a life spent in politics.
Or you're choosing to ignore a few aspects of 'his life spent in politics', that you have probably raised yourself in this thread, in an attempt to score a trivial point.
 
Or you're choosing to ignore a few aspects of 'his life spent in politics', that you have probably raised yourself in this thread, in an attempt to score a trivial point.
No, it isn't attempting to score points. It's a rejection of the thinking that Corbyn is a breath of fresh air in the political system. He's made it his home for near 40 years. He's as much a part of the system as anyone. He's a privately educated career politician, painting him as anything else is selective airbrushing.
 
Only on the loosest possible definition of 'part of the establishment', obviously he hasn't followed the Tory Blair party line dogmatically, nor can it be said that his manifesto accords with the establishment.

No, it isn't attempting to score points. It's a rejection of the thinking that Corbyn is a breath of fresh air in the political system. He's made it his home for near 40 years. He's as much a part of the system as anyone. He's a privately educated career politician, painting him as anything else is selective airbrushing.
 
No, it isn't attempting to score points. It's a rejection of the thinking that Corbyn is a breath of fresh air in the political system. He's made it his home for near 40 years. He's as much a part of the system as anyone. He's a privately educated career politician, painting him as anything else is selective airbrushing.

But don't forget he'll give each of us a free money tree and will sort out all of the worlds issues by getting everyone around for a nice cup of tea on board one of those trident submarines painted yellow with flowers instead of missiles........that's what I read anyway........
 
But don't forget he'll give each of us a free money tree and will sort out all of the worlds issues by getting everyone around for a nice cup of tea on board one of those trident submarines painted yellow with flowers instead of missiles........that's what I read anyway........
You're out of touch with Evertonians mate. In fact I'll go one step further to suggest that the vast majority of Evertonians find your view abhorrent.
 
Only on the loosest possible definition of 'part of the establishment', obviously he hasn't followed the Tory Blair party line dogmatically, nor can it be said that his manifesto accords with the establishment.

Tbf, he has kept consistent to his beliefs, unlike Blair who would say anything. I still preferred the likes of Kate Hoey or Frank Field who would also stick to their views but they were far less extreme.....
 
So it's okay to give money-trees to Corporates that invariably off-shore them under the false pretext of trickle-down, but redirect the billions of loans and tax revenue to stimulate the economy and direct the Nation in a more sustainable and long-term manner and we're suddenly talking Candy Mountain?

But don't forget he'll give each of us a free money tree and will sort out all of the worlds issues by getting everyone around for a nice cup of tea on board one of those trident submarines painted yellow with flowers instead of missiles........that's what I read anyway........
 
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