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Children's social care services 'set to reach breaking point'
Spending on children’s services has fallen by 9% since 2010 as numbers of children in need have risen by 5%, councils say



Councils have mostly managed to maintain spending on families who have hit crisis point, but at the expense of preventive services. Photograph: SWNS.COM

Patrick Butler Social policy editor
Published:00:01 BST Thu 11 May 2017

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Councils have warned that social care services for vulnerable children are approaching breaking point in the face of funding shortfalls estimated to reach £2bn by the end of the decade.

Analysis by the Local Government Association (LGA) indicates that resources are being outstripped by steadily rising demand for child support and safeguarding services as authorities struggle with huge budget cuts.

Spending by English councils on children’s services has dropped by at least 9% since 2010, over a period when numbers of children “in need”rose by 5% and thousands more youngsters were taken into care or made subject to a child protection plan.

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Cllr Richard Watts, chair of the LGA’s Children and Young People Board, said all political parties must commit to fully funding children’s social care: “Services caring for and protecting vulnerable children are now, in many areas, being pushed to breaking point.”

He added: “Councils are committed to providing the best possible support to vulnerable children and their families, but the demand for children’s social care services has more than doubled and is stretching local authority resources.”

The warning comes just weeks after an all-party parliamentary group (APPG) inquiry into children’s social care, led by Conservative MP and former children’s minister Tim Loughton, reported that services were on the brink of collapse, with nine out of 10 councils struggling to meet their legal duties.

The Department for Education (DfE) said councils had managed to increase spending levels on emergency safeguarding services over the past five years. It has generally preferred to focus on apparent issues of service quality and performance in children’s social care, rather than lack of investment.

A DfE spokesperson said: “We want every single child, no matter where they live, to receive the same high-quality care and support – and this is exactly what our reforms are set up to deliver. We are clear that providing help as early as possible is the most effective way of keeping children safe, and our new What Works Centres for children’s social care will ensure social workers across the country are able to learn from best practice.”

The LGA said that although most councils have managed to maintain spending on families who have hit crisis point, this has been at the expense of services designed to prevent problems getting out of control in the first place, such as Sure Start, parenting courses, and youth work.

Councils also fear that rising child poverty caused by welfare cuts – coupled with increases in homelessness, domestic violence, child sexual exploitation and mental illness – is driving up demand, making the current funding arrangements increasing unsustainable.

Budgets are also being stretched by the growing numbers of severely disabled children living for longer and who require extensive support, and unaccompanied children seeking asylum.


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Children's social care services 'set to reach breaking point'
Spending on children’s services has fallen by 9% since 2010 as numbers of children in need have risen by 5%, councils say



Councils have mostly managed to maintain spending on families who have hit crisis point, but at the expense of preventive services. Photograph: SWNS.COM

Patrick Butler Social policy editor
Published:00:01 BST Thu 11 May 2017

Follow Patrick Butler



Councils have warned that social care services for vulnerable children are approaching breaking point in the face of funding shortfalls estimated to reach £2bn by the end of the decade.

Analysis by the Local Government Association (LGA) indicates that resources are being outstripped by steadily rising demand for child support and safeguarding services as authorities struggle with huge budget cuts.

Spending by English councils on children’s services has dropped by at least 9% since 2010, over a period when numbers of children “in need”rose by 5% and thousands more youngsters were taken into care or made subject to a child protection plan.

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Cllr Richard Watts, chair of the LGA’s Children and Young People Board, said all political parties must commit to fully funding children’s social care: “Services caring for and protecting vulnerable children are now, in many areas, being pushed to breaking point.”

He added: “Councils are committed to providing the best possible support to vulnerable children and their families, but the demand for children’s social care services has more than doubled and is stretching local authority resources.”

The warning comes just weeks after an all-party parliamentary group (APPG) inquiry into children’s social care, led by Conservative MP and former children’s minister Tim Loughton, reported that services were on the brink of collapse, with nine out of 10 councils struggling to meet their legal duties.

The Department for Education (DfE) said councils had managed to increase spending levels on emergency safeguarding services over the past five years. It has generally preferred to focus on apparent issues of service quality and performance in children’s social care, rather than lack of investment.

A DfE spokesperson said: “We want every single child, no matter where they live, to receive the same high-quality care and support – and this is exactly what our reforms are set up to deliver. We are clear that providing help as early as possible is the most effective way of keeping children safe, and our new What Works Centres for children’s social care will ensure social workers across the country are able to learn from best practice.”

The LGA said that although most councils have managed to maintain spending on families who have hit crisis point, this has been at the expense of services designed to prevent problems getting out of control in the first place, such as Sure Start, parenting courses, and youth work.

Councils also fear that rising child poverty caused by welfare cuts – coupled with increases in homelessness, domestic violence, child sexual exploitation and mental illness – is driving up demand, making the current funding arrangements increasing unsustainable.

Budgets are also being stretched by the growing numbers of severely disabled children living for longer and who require extensive support, and unaccompanied children seeking asylum.


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To an extent I agree, but even then it's seldom straight forward. <start anecdote> For instance, my other half works in this area, and she has a colleague who has been signed off as having various ailments (and appears to be unsackable). The trust pay for her to get a taxi to and from work (home in east London, work in Dulwich), which at a guesstimate is £30 there and back. The work is also out and about, so she also has taxis to and from clients, so that one person alone is probably consuming half of a nurses salary just in taxi fares. That is when she's working, as she is often off sick (often either side of the extensive annual leave she gets as a nurse of 20+ years experience), and it's believed she'll be retiring early next year on her final salary pension.

Now of course, that's an anecdote and in itself not very useful, but I'm just using it to remind us that the NHS isn't in strife purely because it lacks money, but also because it spends the money it does have quite poorly.

The strife that community (or preventative if you prefer) health is in is also a reminder of the perhaps unintended consequences of the politicisation of healthcare, as that bore the brunt of cuts in preference to the NHS.
 
To an extent I agree, but even then it's seldom straight forward. <start anecdote> For instance, my other half works in this area, and she has a colleague who has been signed off as having various ailments (and appears to be unsackable). The trust pay for her to get a taxi to and from work (home in east London, work in Dulwich), which at a guesstimate is £30 there and back. The work is also out and about, so she also has taxis to and from clients, so that one person alone is probably consuming half of a nurses salary just in taxi fares. That is when she's working, as she is often off sick (often either side of the extensive annual leave she gets as a nurse of 20+ years experience), and it's believed she'll be retiring early next year on her final salary pension.

Now of course, that's an anecdote and in itself not very useful, but I'm just using it to remind us that the NHS isn't in strife purely because it lacks money, but also because it spends the money it does have quite poorly.

The strife that community (or preventative if you prefer) health is in is also a reminder of the perhaps unintended consequences of the politicisation of healthcare, as that bore the brunt of cuts in preference to the NHS.
What about all the wonderful people working in the NHS Bruce? Do they not count because of the rare exceptions?
 
To an extent I agree, but even then it's seldom straight forward. <start anecdote> For instance, my other half works in this area, and she has a colleague who has been signed off as having various ailments (and appears to be unsackable). The trust pay for her to get a taxi to and from work (home in east London, work in Dulwich), which at a guesstimate is £30 there and back. The work is also out and about, so she also has taxis to and from clients, so that one person alone is probably consuming half of a nurses salary just in taxi fares. That is when she's working, as she is often off sick (often either side of the extensive annual leave she gets as a nurse of 20+ years experience), and it's believed she'll be retiring early next year on her final salary pension.

Now of course, that's an anecdote and in itself not very useful, but I'm just using it to remind us that the NHS isn't in strife purely because it lacks money, but also because it spends the money it does have quite poorly.

The strife that community (or preventative if you prefer) health is in is also a reminder of the perhaps unintended consequences of the politicisation of healthcare, as that bore the brunt of cuts in preference to the NHS.
Anecdotal evidence is the weakest form of argument
 
"Now of course, that's an anecdote and in itself not very useful, but I'm just using it to remind us that the NHS isn't in strife purely because it lacks money, but also because it spends the money it does have quite poorly."

Exactly. If you look at suppliers to the NHS you seen brand new offices and shining new cars, I would have every contract and price book reviewed and renegotiated.....
 
"Now of course, that's an anecdote and in itself not very useful, but I'm just using it to remind us that the NHS isn't in strife purely because it lacks money, but also because it spends the money it does have quite poorly."
It depends money on outsourcing because the government forces you to. You have zero choice in the matter. You are not allowed to do a lot of things In house anymore that is what wastes money. Bring services back in house and costs will drop dramatically
 
It depends money on outsourcing because the government forces you to. You have zero choice in the matter. You are not allowed to do a lot of things In house anymore that is what wastes money. Bring services back in house and costs will drop dramatically

From my experience, that isn't the case. Certainly in the NHS the procurement system is often so complex that it's impossible for small providers to find their way through it. In the past week alone I've spoken to a couple that trade around the world and they've said if they had to rely on the NHS for income they'd be bankrupt, yet these are all doctors who would love to help, but the system really doesn't help them at all. There's a saying inside the NHS that the service has more pilots than British Airways. That's a lot of work for the startup with no money coming in.

It should be about getting the best people for the job, and whether they're public, private or non-profit should be irrelevant.
 
From my experience, that isn't the case. Certainly in the NHS the procurement system is often so complex that it's impossible for small providers to find their way through it. In the past week alone I've spoken to a couple that trade around the world and they've said if they had to rely on the NHS for income they'd be bankrupt, yet these are all doctors who would love to help, but the system really doesn't help them at all. There's a saying inside the NHS that the service has more pilots than British Airways. That's a lot of work for the startup with no money coming in.

It should be about getting the best people for the job, and whether they're public, private or non-profit should be irrelevant.
The thing is mate the doctors shouldn't be trying to make money off the NHS they should work for the NHS and help from the inside not try and gain profits from it.

Well I've been a civil servant for 15 years been a union rep all that time and dealt with the highest levels of management in the civil service. The government every year in the funding document set out what departments can and can't pay for and take away funding accordingly. And management hate it but have no choice.
 
The thing is mate the doctors shouldn't be trying to make money off the NHS they should work for the NHS and help from the inside not try and gain profits from it.

It's not that straightforward I'm afraid. As a random example, I know the team at https://www.entia.co reasonably well (it's a nice device for blood testing). The team behind that weren't just medics but designers, engineers, developers and so on. There simply isn't any means for a doctor with an idea to pull together such expertise to build a product like this from within the NHS. There certainly isn't any funding available to hire that team and develop the product. Hence the reality is that if doctors want to innovate, they usually have to form a company and go about it in the same way all companies do.

And to be honest, in the making money sense of things, it's almost like they're being portrayed as Martin Shkreli types, when in reality most just want to do good things, but of course they're putting their money and effort on the line so expect fair compensation for that. That's no different to any professional wanting to be compensated for their expertise.
 
"Now of course, that's an anecdote and in itself not very useful, but I'm just using it to remind us that the NHS isn't in strife purely because it lacks money, but also because it spends the money it does have quite poorly."
So you agree your argument was a poor one, intended to your pro free market views, all the studies and conferences you attend with those lovely and giving businessmen who care more about healthcare than profit, really Bruce, I expected more
 
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