Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[Seanjd]

He said he did. He took convicted murderers into Westminster. I think he supported the armed rebellion. Otherwise he would have said so.

He was far too late to realise the futility of violence. Just like far far too many others on all sides over here, and now they try to rewrite history to save their credibility.

That's one hell of a claim.

Do you not think it's a coincidence that the IRA agreed peace and went down the political route after Corbyn and others were involved?

"At the same time, secretly, the British government was also engaged in that and then eventually in 1994 we got the first ceasefire." - Corbyn

What makes those secretly negotiating any different to him?

 

[ToffeeTim]

That's one hell of a claim.

Do you not think it's a coincidence that the IRA agreed peace and went down the political route after Corbyn and others were involved?

"At the same time, secretly, the British government was also engaged in that and then eventually in 1994 we got the first ceasefire." - Corbyn

What makes those secretly negotiating any different to him?

None in the Major or Blair governments openly spoke of support for those who "fought for Irish independence". To the best of my knowledge anyway.

Corbyn did.

Corbyn wasn't involved in any of the discussions which helped bring agreement. In fact it was my generation here who brought peace because we had enough. We didn't want the nonsense our parents had given us. It wasn't Corbyn and his fake pacifism. He's irrelevant in the matter. His effect was negative IMO.

 

[Mrk]

Tories seem steady in the polls at 46-48% (which I think is slightly optimistic). Seems like pollsters are finding it difficult to nail down an accurate figure for Labour though:

 

[Seanjd]

None in the Major or Blair governments openly spoke of support for those who "fought for Irish independence". To the best of my knowledge anyway.

Corbyn did.

Corbyn wasn't involved in any of the discussions which helped bring agreement. In fact it was my generation here who brought peace because we had enough. We didn't want the nonsense our parents had given us. It wasn't Corbyn and his fake pacifism.

Again, I would question the only quote on this 'supporting independence fighters' which comes from an Express article.

To be honest, I'm not sure how instrumental Corbyn himself was in terms of talks. He didn't take part in the official meetings for sure, but he certainly had the ear of those high up in the IRA, which counts for something.

I'm not downplaying the role played by those in the north who had had enough, or anybody else. What I am saying, though, is that it is blatantly obvious that Corbyn attempted, and you might say succeeded, at communicating with terrorist as a way of showing them that political persuit was a better way.

 

[jaycee]

All the talk of Corbyn supporting the IRA,is it any different to Thatcher supporting Pinochet and apartheid,or does it only count when its in tour own backyard?

 

[peteblue]

Tories seem steady in the polls at 46-48% (which I think is slightly optimistic). Seems like pollsters are finding it difficult to nail down an accurate figure for Labour though:

That's probably because Abbott had the figures.......

 

[Seanjd]

Tories seem steady in the polls at 46-48% (which I think is slightly optimistic). Seems like pollsters are finding it difficult to nail down an accurate figure for Labour though:

I think this GE will probably contradict polls more than the last. I'm refusing to read into them at the moment.

 

[peteblue]

I think this GE will probably contradict polls more than the last. I'm refusing to read into them at the moment.

And me, I think a lot more people will vote Tory than the polls suggest, just like the last two elections.......

 

[Seanjd]

And me, I think a lot more people will vote Tory than the polls suggest, just like the last two elections.......

I think you are probably right.

 

[Mrk]

I think this GE will probably contradict polls more than the last. I'm refusing to read into them at the moment.

Hmm, unlikely. Polls are at their most unreliable when there's a close election (2015, Brexit, Trump), as they all have a margin of error (about 3%) which can tip the balance either way. However, when you get into the realms of a +15% lead, the chances of all polls, by ever pollster, every time they're carried out, being wrong to the tune of 15% is statistically inconceivable.

 

[hullefc]

At the last election the Tories got 24% of the electorate voting for them. Any poll that doesn't have 33% non voters as an entity is meaningless and useless.

 

[Seanjd]

Hmm, unlikely. Polls are at their most unreliable when there's a close election (2015, Brexit, Trump), as they all have a margin of error (about 3%) which can tip the balance either way. However, when you get into the realms of a +15% lead, the chances of all polls, by ever pollster, every time they're carried out, being wrong to the tune of 15% is statistically inconceivable.

Weren't many of the 2015 polls around 5-6% off?

 

[Mrk]

Weren't many of the 2015 polls around 5-6% off?

Yes, but that's within the 3% margin of error (it's 3% for each party/candidate, not overall result).

 

[peteblue]

Weren't many of the 2015 polls around 5-6% off?

If I could be arsed, I'd have posted the 'always look on the bright side of life video' but I cba......

 

[dandydan]

An article about corbyn and the IRA with lots of links and stuff.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/shouldnt-vote-jeremy-corbyn/