Current Affairs 2017 General Election

[Ruairi77]

I can't as I don't think labour are standing in my constituency in NI. NOT that I would have anyway. I hate what he's done to the party who were closest to my views.

Dont know too much about this but did Tony Blair not wreck the Labour party with his whole 'new labour' thing. Seems to me that Corbyn is just trying to take the party back to what it's supposed to stand for. He's getting slammed by the right and the center which contains a lot of new labour and most of the media.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Dont know too much about this but did Tony Blair not wreck the Labour party with his whole 'new labour' thing. Seems to me that Corbyn is just trying to take the party back to what it's supposed to stand for. He's getting slammed by the right and the center which contains a lot of new labour and most of the media.

The working class aren't as socially left as he thinks imo. Not saying that's good or bad, just my observations. To me labour is Attlee. Is this man a statesman in that mould? Absolutely not. Would Atlee support Corbyn's rabble rousing politics? Absolutely not.

 

[Ruairi77]

The working class aren't as socially left as he thinks imo. Not saying that's good or bad, just my observations. To me labour is Attlee. Is this man a statesman in that mould? Absolutely not. Would Atlee support Corbyn's rabble rousing politics? Absolutely not.

So you might not like his style but he's hardly wrecked the party. I would imagine in Attlees day the working class was very far left. He worked for them, setting up the NHS etc.
Corbyn may not be statesman like but look no further than the slew of statesman like centrists who recently led the party to find the culprits for wrecking the labour party.

 

[tsubaki]

The working class aren't as socially left as he thinks imo. Not saying that's good or bad, just my observations. To me labour is Attlee. Is this man a statesman in that mould? Absolutely not. Would Atlee support Corbyn's rabble rousing politics? Absolutely not.

Would Attlee have tolerated a PLP that goes on strike in an election campaign? Would he have backed a Labour council plotting to evict council tenants (and a football club) for its members own financial benefit? Would he have backed senior Labour figures openly trying to deselect a hard-working and popular backbench Labour MP? Would he have backed a Labour MP who tried to get a sixteen year old girl looking for a job to sleep with him? Would he have buried a miscarriage of justice in order to get favourable support from a press baron?

 

[ToffeeTim]

Would Attlee have tolerated a PLP that goes on strike in an election campaign? Would he have backed a Labour council plotting to evict council tenants (and a football club) for its members own financial benefit? Would he have backed senior Labour figures openly trying to deselect a hard-working and popular backbench Labour MP? Would he have backed a Labour MP who tried to get a sixteen year old girl looking for a job to sleep with him? Would he have buried a miscarriage of justice in order to get favourable support from a press baron?

Corbyn can't lead. His party don't follow him. Labour are lost.

 

[tsubaki]

Corbyn can't lead. His party don't follow him. Labour are lost.

I agree, but it isn't Corbyn's fault. There is a sickness at the heart of Labour and until its dealt with the party will find it very difficult to recover.

 

[Ruairi77]

Corbyn can't lead. His party don't follow him. Labour are lost.

The ones that don't follow are the reason the party is lost. He may never be PM but he's the ideologue they need to wake the party up from the sleepwalking centrist fluff they've served up over the last generation. You'll never appeal to everyone in politics so why try. I see Corbyn as someone who is who he is and if you're not on board, that's fine, he's not going to artificially change to appease you.
refreshing, and maybe laying a platform for the next time round (in 18 months )

 

[Clint Planet]

He supported them. So no it puts nothing to bed.

Well, there are many people who support the idea of a united Ireland. Doesn't make them IRA supporters.

 

[roydo]

The ones that don't follow are the reason the party is lost. He may never be PM but he's the ideologue they need to wake the party up from the sleepwalking centrist fluff they've served up over the last generation. You'll never appeal to everyone in politics so why try. I see Corbyn as someone who is who he is and if you're not on board, that's fine, he's not going to artificially change to appease you.
refreshing, and maybe laying a platform for the next time round (in 18 months )

Dont get that.

He has to appeal to the electorate. Or what, exactly, is the point? So he can judge the "Who agrees with me more?" competition?

You might not like the reality, but he comes across as the equivalent of a Student Union debater. All very nice and that, but the other 20m folk he has to persuade to agree with him, wont.

And thats from someone who isnt really that arsed.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Well, there are many people who support the idea of a united Ireland. Doesn't make them IRA supporters.

Indeed there are many fine folk who feel that way.

And thankfully most of them don't feel the need to commend those who fought and killed rather than sought political answers. Corbyn also had no idea what was going on here at the time and blindly stuck to his weird idea of anti colonialism instead of actually seeing what was going on. The idea that say 55% of the NI population were colonists was unhelpful and slightly patronising. I didn't ask to be born here.

 

[ToffeeTim]

The ones that don't follow are the reason the party is lost. He may never be PM but he's the ideologue they need to wake the party up from the sleepwalking centrist fluff they've served up over the last generation. You'll never appeal to everyone in politics so why try. I see Corbyn as someone who is who he is and if you're not on board, that's fine, he's not going to artificially change to appease you.
refreshing, and maybe laying a platform for the next time round (in 18 months )

He's an ideologue who I, and most of the country don't get. Of course he's not what labour need. He's not electable.

 

[Woolly Blue]

I agree, but it isn't Corbyn's fault. There is a sickness at the heart of Labour and until its dealt with the party will find it very difficult to recover.

I agree it's not Corbyn's fault, he's just been shoved to the front due to circumstances outside his control.

What's your answer though ? Unless the answer ends up with a Labour party that is viewed by the electorate as capable of running the country, then it's just changing things to follow some sort of philosophy, which is nice like, but doesn't end up changing the country for the better.

I will happily confess I don't know what the answer is.

 

[Ruairi77]

Dont get that.

He has to appeal to the electorate. Or what, exactly, is the point? So he can judge the "Who agrees with me more?" competition?

You might not like the reality, but he comes across as the equivalent of a Student Union debater. All very nice and that, but the other 20m folk he has to persuade to agree with him, wont.

And thats from someone who isnt really that arsed.

Yea, I get that. That's why I don't think he'll win, I just think his inability to change or appeal to the centre is what will drag the Labour party back in to the left lane of politics. Not effective if you want to win a general election but more effective if you want to restore the party to actually believing in something. If they don't pull left, they'll disappear and there'll be one party in power for the next generation. ugh.
Hard to judge from the states tho.

 

[roydo]

If they don't pull left, they'll disappear and there'll be one party in power for the next generation

Thought that was what they have done?

 

[Ruairi77]

Thought that was what they have done?

I'd say that's what they are doing. It would be great if the party had a left wing statesman 'Attlee' type. but they don't seem to. The most they can hope for in this election is to regain their soul and hope to build for the next one. I don't have a dog in this fight but a centrist Labour is about as useful as a chocolate tea pot.