£165,600,000 versus £83,000,000 The real reason the derby is uncompetitive

[Bluebonic]

High wages dont buy brave players! We have far too many bottlers, have had since. Joe Royles team! They had important players out too, but they went in there thinking " we will win"! We went in there thinking "we will get beat"!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

 

[TyphooToffee]

Yesterday it was just a case of tactics. Rom wasn't given any room and our defence gave Mane and Coutinho too much room. Maybe our tactics would have been different had Seamus and FM been available, who knows? And, as Bullybeef said, we haven't got depth in the right positions. If we can get the likes of Pickford, Schmiechel, Kean, VVD etc...?

 

[Groucho]

By that logic we shouldn't have beaten Man City 4-0 but we did.

 

[judge]

wages can only excuse so much. Ask yourself, how many times in the last 45 years have we gone behind but still ended up winning. Christ, how many times have we taken the lead only for them to equalise but we still went on to win.
These things don't happen! The mental strength of the whole club is brittle and , as soon as they give a hint of coming back into a game we sh*t ourselves and capitulate.
W****rs (and that's us, not them)!

Although, they are too.

 

[when i score we riot]

Explanations and excuses are not going to help anyone at this point, eh.

Granted, we can still get something, but it's not in our hands anymore. Hope we beat united at least.

Let's just prepare for another tight season run-in and hope we somehow clinch Europe in seventh place.

 

[zirc]

this whole thread needs to get in the bin.

when the team that is top of the form table over the last three months, who battered City all over the pitch, who may i add have a far higher wage bill, put in a display like that, there's more to it than wages.

it's just shitty excuses which contribute to the inferiority complex

 

[BiggyRat]

I said it on the match thread. Build the Stadium outside the City and voila'...no more derbies!

 

[Thomasc]

If you want to start making excuses for yesterday, then losing 2 players like Coleman and Schneids would be the first one, but they had players out as well, so that cancels that one out.

They brought a kid on and Origi so they were hardly laden with fantastic squad depth, we had a better player on the bench than who was on the field eg DCL/MIrallas.

We just bottled it and showed zero passion as usual in these matches.

 

[blueloon]

I was thinking along similar lines when I saw our line up regarding cost of players. Our attackers cost £30 mill, DFMs £7mill , defenders about about £23 mill so total about £60 mill. I've no idea what the RS cost and have no interest really , but it did strike me that that's a pretty cheap starting line up for a team in the PL top 6 , and it does illustrate our lack of strength in depth when injuries hit.

 

[NorthernBlue]

Wonder if the OP was watching Moneyball last night as it was on tele.

 

[PhilM]

Hang on, the original poster has got a point.

A few injuries and we don't have the depth of squad to cope.

We need to spend more to get better quality and greater depth. That would help our cause no end.

It's also true that at the moment we are not mentally strong enough to compete with the 'top 6' on a consistent basis.

RK needs to address this when drawing up his list of potential signings.
We need winners with strong characters and mental toughness. If needs be we have to pay top dollar to get what we need.

At the moment we are just too nice.

There are elements of truth to how a significantly smaller budget can restrict a team, but for me it's a simplistic view of all the component.

Liverpool's bench at points this season has been awful: a string of no-marks and youth players who are unproven so they could say the game.

Obviously greater depth and creatively options would certainly help our cause and help us sustain form if there are injuries or suspensions.

And you could question our defensive frailties on a makeshift defence, yet for me yesterday my greatest concern is simply how we didn't turn up.

The same player yesterday, if they hadn't shied away, could have arguably got a result yesterday. They didn't and Liverpool won at a canter!

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

The above figures are the respective wage bills at Liverpool and Everton. Their wage bill is almost exactly twice as big as ours. Ours is a couple of million bigger than West Ham and Stoke.

Do we expect Stoke to win at a club paying almost £166 million annually? No. Why expect it of Everton?

We fondly cling to the idea that the two Merseyside clubs are equals in stature and importance. They're not. Liverpool are a far bigger and better resourced outfit than we are and tough though it is for us to admit it they will remain so. We need to stop obsessing about them and start to accept reality.

Ah come on mate. It's not like we're asking the blues to hammer them 5-0 every time we play is it? Just a win every now and then would be nice! We have one of the worst records in derby's because of defeatist attitudes like this. Wolves won there earlier this season as did Swansea and Southampton, they're far from invincible, they're actually crap. It's our own inferiority complex that is the problem and just surrendering like this is part of the problem. The Kopites would love this, we're on a par with West Ham and Stoke now?! FFS, it's hard enough for the media to take us seriously without our own fans talking us down. Nobody is bigger then Everton Football Club! End of discussion.

 

[Elong]

Bruce???? lol

 

[royalblue66]

Hang on, the original poster has got a point.

A few injuries and we don't have the depth of squad to cope.

We need to spend more to get better quality and greater depth. That would help our cause no end.

It's also true that at the moment we are not mentally strong enough to compete with the 'top 6' on a consistent basis.

RK needs to address this when drawing up his list of potential signings.
We need winners with strong characters and mental toughness. If needs be we have to pay top dollar to get what we need.

At the moment we are just too nice.

That last sentence sums it up,mate, noticed yesterday, when one of theirs was injured there was 4/5 of them talking to the ref, not one Everton player within yards of him,
The last time we had a good side, the likes of Sharpie were always in the ref's ear,
Perhaps that would be a good reason to get Rooney back, and change the mentality.