Confirmed Signing Thierno Barry

[caliblue]

Dont agree is times when the first choice will have a dip in form then is up to the other cf to come in and given a chance. I think will see a different everton because this window will be mainly about the attackers. So will be more chances created than what we have seen, with barry looks to have good movement and looks to get on the end of things.

I just find it very naive to think that at a time where everyone looks for a number 9 and when it was maybe 8-10 strikers in the league that delivered more than OK last season, Everton will have two. The league is full of strikers that have shown more promise and talent than Barry that fails to deliver.

Mateta and Nkethia, Welbeck and Ferguson, Wood and Awoniyi, Wissa and Igor Thiago, Delap and Hirst. So often we see clubs with strikers of similar quality. When one of them has a great season, the other one becomes a non-factor. It's the nature of football. And even more so for clubs that doesn't play in Europe.

I am also surprised by people expecting great things when Moyes is recruiting a striker. At has always been a problem for him. Pretty much all of them fail to match the scoring ratio from previous clubs.

The three most successful number nines in a Moyes team the last decade is Marko Arnautovic, Michael Antonio and Jarred Bowen. None of them was signed as a 9 but ended up playing there due to poor recruitment.

 

[Simon Buttle]

….no I’ve not seen him at all.

You ain't missing much mate, he seems to have excellent movement and was getting into some decent positions but his finishing was woeful, fluffed 3/4 chances which he should have had something from. Woltemade on the pitch at the same time just looked at a different level to Barry, it was obvious who the better player is, although that ship has probably sailed for us now sadly. Barry probably does have something but he has only started in 1 of the u21 games and I'm just not convinced he is up to leading the line for any PL team just yet. We need to get that fee down quite a bit imo.

 

[caliblue]

….but this regime will be accountable for their dealings. We can quote good and bad historic transfers but ultimately none of us know, every one carries risk and only time will tell if we acquire this bloke.

Let’s hope the watchers have watched, the stats people have done their bit and others have done their background checks.

You'd like to think they have.

I do find it interesting that Friedkin's Roma last summer signed La Liga top scorer Dobvyk from Girona for €30.5 million. Another striker that had played one season in a top 5 league. He halved his number of goals when moving to Serie A.

Number two on the top scorer list was Alexander Sørloth that was sold from Villareal for €32 million.

Dobvyk and Sørloth scored 24 and 23 goals and ended up being sold for a price we'd be happy to pay for Barry? Red flags everywhere and a massive risk.

 

[preposterousvelios]

As per usual posters creating a false binary - Woltemade good, Barry bad - off the back of 45 mins of u21 international football.

Don't get me wrong, Woltemade looks a top prospect and has been my preferred option of the 2 but I dont think Barry looks bad at all. Different skill set, arguably more suited to the Prem tbh.

You never really know with a player like Woltemade if he is going to be able to play his game in the PL with much less time on the ball. His strengths while very impressive are not guaranteed to translate. Barry on the other hand to me looks like a real physical presence, has a nose for goals and a real knack for finding space in the box. This suits the league and us as a team down to the ground imo.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

You'd like to think they have.

I do find it interesting that Friedkin's Roma last summer signed La Liga top scorer Dobvyk from Girona for €30.5 million. Another striker that had played one season in a top 5 league. He halved his number of goals when moving to Serie A.

Number two on the top scorer list was Alexander Sørloth that was sold from Villareal for €32 million.

Dobvyk and Sørloth scored 24 and 23 goals and ended up being sold for a price we'd be happy to pay for Barry? Red flags everywhere and a massive risk.

That Sorloth guy has also flopped in the EPL with Palace and in the Bundesliga with Leipzig. The only places he has played well are Spain and Turkey. I'm not sure La Liga is that good a league.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

As per usual posters creating a false binary - Woltemade good, Barry bad - off the back of 45 mins of u21 international football.

Don't get me wrong, Woltemade looks a top prospect and has been my preferred option of the 2 but I dont think Barry looks bad at all. Different skill set, arguably more suited to the Prem tbh.

You never really know with a player like Woltemade if he is going to be able to play his game in the PL with much less time on the ball. His strengths while very impressive are not guaranteed to translate. Barry on the other hand to me looks like a real physical presence, has a nose for goals and a real knack for finding space in the box. This suits the league and us as a team down to the ground imo.

Barry didn't look good though. I didn't see him run with the ball, I didn't see any hold up play, I didn't see him get involved in the build up, I didn't see any closing down, I didn't see any runs from deeper, I didn't see a well hit shot or header. The ball fell to him in the box a few times and he fluffed those chances which were harder to miss than score.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

As per usual posters creating a false binary - Woltemade good, Barry bad - off the back of 45 mins of u21 international football.

Don't get me wrong, Woltemade looks a top prospect and has been my preferred option of the 2 but I dont think Barry looks bad at all. Different skill set, arguably more suited to the Prem tbh.

You never really know with a player like Woltemade if he is going to be able to play his game in the PL with much less time on the ball. His strengths while very impressive are not guaranteed to translate. Barry on the other hand to me looks like a real physical presence, has a nose for goals and a real knack for finding space in the box. This suits the league and us as a team down to the ground imo.

Think people are getting slightly carried away about Big Nick in this tournament. He’s 23 and 6’6, he should be standing out in a u21 tournament.

Not saying he’s a bad player but I’m sure pro scouts will be focusing far more on his performances in senior football where it’s a fair fight.

 

[Zatara]

Everton doesn't play enough matches to have two good strikers fighting for a place. If they both stay fit one of them will end up as clear first choice while the other one will have a poor season.

It's like when we had DCL and Kean. Both of them could not possibly have a good season.

My concern is that while there always would be interest for Kean and a possibility to get our money back, a Barry on Premier League salary that doesn't play will be almost impossible to offload. If Beto becomes first choice and Barry his backup, we'd struggle to get £10 million for Barry next summer. It's a signing that easily can end up worse than the Klaassen signing if we don't play him.

You'd like to think they have.

I do find it interesting that Friedkin's Roma last summer signed La Liga top scorer Dobvyk from Girona for €30.5 million. Another striker that had played one season in a top 5 league. He halved his number of goals when moving to Serie A.

Number two on the top scorer list was Alexander Sørloth that was sold from Villareal for €32 million.

Dobvyk and Sørloth scored 24 and 23 goals and ended up being sold for a price we'd be happy to pay for Barry? Red flags everywhere and a massive risk.

We have Beto on the books already and he's shown he can score goals. We could expect 12-15 goals a season from him.

However, he's not going to be on top form all season or even all game so we need a player to push him all the time and to rotate with.

If that player can score e.g 8-10 goals a season then we have well over 20 goals coming from the CF position.

It makes perfect sense.

As for the two 28 and 29 your olds your comparing a 22 year old with, theres no logic to that because they have no resale value. They are finished products who can only go downhill.

We need 2 CFs if Moyes target is 7th and Europe. There would be a lot of games if we reach that target.

 

[preposterousvelios]

Barry didn't look good though. I didn't see him run with the ball, I didn't see any hold up play, I didn't see him get involved in the build up, I didn't see any closing down, I didn't see any runs from deeper, I didn't see a well hit shot or header. The ball fell to him in the box a few times and he fluffed those chances which were harder to miss than score.

France as a whole were not effective in that game. Barry came on and made them look more threatening imo, and to say that he fluffed chances that were harder to miss is very harsh.

His movement off the ball I think is very impressive. He manages to find space in the box a lot and he constantly makes runs drawing defenders out which will be of great benefit to players like Ndiaye and Alcaraz.

You've clearly made your mind up on the player (after 45 mins) for whatever reason. I disagree though and see him as being an exciting signing for us, right profile of player. Might need bedding in a bit this season but thats to be expected and I think Beto has shown that we can rely on him enough to be able to bed in a young striker.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

We have Beto on the books already and he's shown he can score goals. We could expect 12-15 goals a season from him.

However, he's not going to be on top form all season or even all game so we need a player to push him all the time and to rotate with.

If that player can score e.g 8-10 goals a season then we have well over 20 goals coming from the CF position.

It makes perfect sense.

As for the two 28 and 29 your olds your comparing a 22 year old with, theres no logic to that because they have no resale value. They are finished products who can only go downhill.

We need 2 CFs if Moyes target is 7th and Europe. There would be a lot of games if we reach that target.

Of course they have resale value. Their value might not go up but there will always be a market for established strikers around the 30 years old mark.

 

[caliblue]

That Sorloth guy has also flopped in the EPL with Palace and in the Bundesliga with Leipzig. The only places he has played well are Spain and Turkey. I'm not sure La Liga is that good a league.

Sørloth in 2025 is the real deal. Three great seasons in a row in La Liga.

He probably didn't earn it, but he never got a fair chance at Palace. Played the first couple of matches out of position and struggled to get into a team set up to get the best out of Benteke.

This season has been insane. He scored 20 La Liga goals in 1563 minutes. A goal every 78th minute. For comparison: Everton scored a goal every 81st minute.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

France as a whole were not effective in that game. Barry came on and made them look more threatening imo, and to say that he fluffed chances that were harder to miss is very harsh.

His movement off the ball I think is very impressive. He manages to find space in the box a lot and he constantly makes runs drawing defenders out which will be of great benefit to players like Ndiaye and Alcaraz.

You've clearly made your mind up on the player (after 45 mins) for whatever reason. I disagree though and see him as being an exciting signing for us, right profile of player. Might need bedding in a bit this season but thats to be expected and I think Beto has shown that we can rely on him enough to be able to bed in a young striker.

I haven't made my mind up at all. He just showed nothing in that game to suggest he's a player. He didn't do anything that impressed me. That doesn't mean he won't in the future but I would obviously be more excited about him if he had played well or at least shown something. It was a Sandro Rameriz level performance.

 

[Lanolin]

You ain't missing much mate, he seems to have excellent movement and was getting into some decent positions but his finishing was woeful, fluffed 3/4 chances which he should have had something from. Woltemade on the pitch at the same time just looked at a different level to Barry, it was obvious who the better player is, although that ship has probably sailed for us now sadly. Barry probably does have something but he has only started in 1 of the u21 games and I'm just not convinced he is up to leading the line for any PL team just yet. We need to get that fee down quite a bit imo.

In fairness Woltemade is 23 1/2 and a full international playing in an under 21 tournament. He does look very good, but you would expect him to really.

 

[toffee66]

We still have a massive revenue gap between us and the Sky6 clubs even with the new stadium. This means we simply cannot buy an unblemished striker option. Even someone like Gyokeres is in the £70m range. Proven strikers are out of our realistic reach.

That means we are either buying young, raw players with potential upside but lower floors or players with some track record but bad injury/off field history or last contract journeyman veterans with no upside or resale. Only the first of those paths offers any hope of closing the gap.

Whether Barry or Woltemade or ANO is the right investment is a judgement the club pays people big money to make. We can only hope that whatever and whoever they choose works out.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

France as a whole were not effective in that game. Barry came on and made them look more threatening imo, and to say that he fluffed chances that were harder to miss is very harsh.

His movement off the ball I think is very impressive. He manages to find space in the box a lot and he constantly makes runs drawing defenders out which will be of great benefit to players like Ndiaye and Alcaraz.

You've clearly made your mind up on the player (after 45 mins) for whatever reason. I disagree though and see him as being an exciting signing for us, right profile of player. Might need bedding in a bit this season but thats to be expected and I think Beto has shown that we can rely on him enough to be able to bed in a young striker.

Exactly