2024/25 David Moyes

[John from Bootle]

The home form overàll has been atrocious for years now

Because the same problems persist; we don't have enough goals in the team. How many seasons since we had a player finish on 10 league goals? Genuine quesstion. Think it was Richy but can't temember if it was his last season here.

 

[MikeH72]

I guess no one else could do better with these players.

Except for David Moyes, who has done better.

 

[ToffeeTim]

You’d genuinely be happy blowing probably our only chance at a rebuild signing old players like Soucek to aim for 15th every season? Why even watch football? What is the point in BMD dock if not to try and actually do something as a club?

I've never suggested signing older players or signing Soucek. And by midtable I mean much closer to 10th than 15th.

Somewhere around 10th next season would be more than acceptable. I just want to see progress and a plan. The new stadium doesn't change everything overnight.

Step 1 of the plan needs to be prioritising goal scorers over the summer. I am thoroughly fed up with us ignoring the attacking positions in our recruitment. Until we score more goals, the rest is irrelevant and we won't move up the table, and relegation will always remain an outside possibility.

 

[Drico]

If he stays I wont be bothered, but we can do better, much better.

That's it, really. Moyes is the comfy cardigan of conservativism. We won't be relegated and we'll compete in most games. We've invariably lose at all of the top clubs and in crunch cup games. He'll make poverty a virtue for us whilst communicating disgust at the corrupting influence of money (except that which ends up in his bank account). He'll keep expectations modest whilst lamenting how his hands have been tied. He'll make people who have never seen Everton win or who have forgotten they saw Everton win feel fuzzy and pious, even morally superior. He'll be competent. We'll all have sore heads from banging them against his self-imposed glass ceiling.

That's clearly enough for many people. Good for them. But without true hope and a touch of fantasy, we're irrelevant and are blowing the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reboot the club with its new stadium, new owners, and new squad. Moyes did a good job on his return. That job is now over. If he stays in the summer, we're just delaying and diluting the reboot when it finally happens.

For the avoidance of doubt: I'm not calling for his head. He did a fine job this season for us. But I never saw him as the future and I see his extended tenure as a statement of ambition - or lack thereof - by the Friedkins. Him staying on is the definition of "meh" for me. He'll do - but not a whole lot.

 

[Neiler]

Don’t awaken the GOT dungeon troll

I just did it to check reaction times!

 

[davies1878]

How many managers have we had in the past 12 years and how many have been a success?, and some people want to get rid of another one.

We were relegation fodder when he came in like we have been for years, he hasn't had a proper transfer window and we don't even know what PSR means for us this summer.

Some people live in a deluded world.

 

[Moomin]

How many managers have we had in the past 12 years and how many have been a success?, and some people want to get rid of another one.

We were relegation fodder when he came in like we have been for years, he hasn't had a proper transfer window and we don't even know what PSR means for us this summer.

Some people live in a deluded world.

Doesn't matter what we as fans think.

TFG sacked 3 managers in 10 months at Roma.

Why are they now going to change tact and give Moyes time???

 

[st.domingo]

That's it, really. Moyes is the comfy cardigan of conservativism. We won't be relegated and we'll compete in most games. We've invariably lose at all of the top clubs and in crunch cup games. He'll make poverty a virtue for us whilst communicating disgust at the corrupting influence of money (except that which ends up in his bank account). He'll keep expectations modest whilst lamenting how his hands have been tied. He'll make people who have never seen Everton win or who have forgotten they saw Everton win feel fuzzy and pious, even morally superior. He'll be competent. We'll all have sore heads from banging them against his self-imposed glass ceiling.

That's clearly enough for many people. Good for them. But without true hope and a touch of fantasy, we're irrelevant and are blowing the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reboot the club with its new stadium, new owners, and new squad. Moyes did a good job on his return. That job is now over. If he stays in the summer, we're just delaying and diluting the reboot when it finally happens.

For the avoidance of doubt: I'm not calling for his head. He did a fine job this season for us. But I never saw him as the future and I see his extended tenure as a statement of ambition - or lack thereof - by the Friedkins. Him staying on is the definition of "meh" for me. He'll do - but not a whole lot.

I mean, come come now, you absolutely are

Whatevs, am pretty sure he's not going anywhere. We'll sign some players and be hopefully much more competitive next year. Maybe we will even beat a big club, who knows? We won't win anything. End of season.

 

[davek]

That's it, really. Moyes is the comfy cardigan of conservativism. We won't be relegated and we'll compete in most games. We've invariably lose at all of the top clubs and in crunch cup games. He'll make poverty a virtue for us whilst communicating disgust at the corrupting influence of money (except that which ends up in his bank account). He'll keep expectations modest whilst lamenting how his hands have been tied. He'll make people who have never seen Everton win or who have forgotten they saw Everton win feel fuzzy and pious, even morally superior. He'll be competent. We'll all have sore heads from banging them against his self-imposed glass ceiling.

That's clearly enough for many people. Good for them. But without true hope and a touch of fantasy, we're irrelevant and are blowing the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reboot the club with its new stadium, new owners, and new squad. Moyes did a good job on his return. That job is now over. If he stays in the summer, we're just delaying and diluting the reboot when it finally happens.

For the avoidance of doubt: I'm not calling for his head. He did a fine job this season for us. But I never saw him as the future and I see his extended tenure as a statement of ambition - or lack thereof - by the Friedkins. Him staying on is the definition of "meh" for me. He'll do - but not a whole lot.

That's a great post Drico.

Exactly how I feel about it.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I guess no one else could do better with these players.

Almost as if we have a team that isn't very good, and will, over a prolonged period, deliver results reflecting as much.

Sure, you'll see an immediate bounce on a new manager, particularly one after Sean 'nuts and bolts, hard yards, I eat worms' Dyche, (See Mike Jackson!) - but ultimately...

We've averaged 41 points for 3 years before this season, so in my view we'd have been down there - 12th-17th because the players dictate it. We're relying on the pace and creativity of the likes of Harrison and Lindstrom, and the composure of Doucoure and Beto.

There's a saying about quality and form.

I hope we can play without pressure and pickup some more wins, but the likelihood is we'll revert to type. There's already signs of it creeping in with too many draws.

That's it, really. Moyes is the comfy cardigan of conservativism. We won't be relegated and we'll compete in most games. We've invariably lose at all of the top clubs and in crunch cup games. He'll make poverty a virtue for us whilst communicating disgust at the corrupting influence of money (except that which ends up in his bank account). He'll keep expectations modest whilst lamenting how his hands have been tied. He'll make people who have never seen Everton win or who have forgotten they saw Everton win feel fuzzy and pious, even morally superior. He'll be competent. We'll all have sore heads from banging them against his self-imposed glass ceiling.

That's clearly enough for many people. Good for them. But without true hope and a touch of fantasy, we're irrelevant and are blowing the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reboot the club with its new stadium, new owners, and new squad. Moyes did a good job on his return. That job is now over. If he stays in the summer, we're just delaying and diluting the reboot when it finally happens.

For the avoidance of doubt: I'm not calling for his head. He did a fine job this season for us. But I never saw him as the future and I see his extended tenure as a statement of ambition - or lack thereof - by the Friedkins. Him staying on is the definition of "meh" for me. He'll do - but not a whole lot.

Exactly my view.

Benchmarking on the previous few years to plan from the summer would be a big mistake - given the factors that dictated the last few years, shouldn't exist from this summer.

 

[jceverton]

That's it, really. Moyes is the comfy cardigan of conservativism. We won't be relegated and we'll compete in most games. We've invariably lose at all of the top clubs and in crunch cup games. He'll make poverty a virtue for us whilst communicating disgust at the corrupting influence of money (except that which ends up in his bank account). He'll keep expectations modest whilst lamenting how his hands have been tied. He'll make people who have never seen Everton win or who have forgotten they saw Everton win feel fuzzy and pious, even morally superior. He'll be competent. We'll all have sore heads from banging them against his self-imposed glass ceiling.

That's clearly enough for many people. Good for them. But without true hope and a touch of fantasy, we're irrelevant and are blowing the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reboot the club with its new stadium, new owners, and new squad. Moyes did a good job on his return. That job is now over. If he stays in the summer, we're just delaying and diluting the reboot when it finally happens.

For the avoidance of doubt: I'm not calling for his head. He did a fine job this season for us. But I never saw him as the future and I see his extended tenure as a statement of ambition - or lack thereof - by the Friedkins. Him staying on is the definition of "meh" for me. He'll do - but not a whole lot.

Very well put, an excellent summary. However not sure your statement that you’re not calling for his head makes logical sense. You very effectively made the argument then balked at the logical conclusion. If you’re argument is correct and I believe it is, then Moyes must go in the summer.

 

[Drico]

Very well put, an excellent summary. However not sure your statement that you’re not calling for his head makes logical sense. You very effectively made the argument then balked at the logical conclusion. If you’re argument is correct and I believe it is, then Moyes must go in the summer.

I say that because I wouldn't have appointed him in the first place. But he was - and he did a good job. In other words, he has done nothing to deserve the sack or for me to "call for his head." It's just that I believe the job he was re-appointed for is different to the job that lies ahead. In that sense, I don't believe he is the right man for the job.

I'm old school. I'd not want to chase Moyes out because I think he's done well for us in the circumstances he had to contend with this season. In an ideal world, both he and the club would recognise that that job is done and we'd part ways amicably.

 

[ToffeeTim]

That's it, really. Moyes is the comfy cardigan of conservativism. We won't be relegated and we'll compete in most games. We've invariably lose at all of the top clubs and in crunch cup games. He'll make poverty a virtue for us whilst communicating disgust at the corrupting influence of money (except that which ends up in his bank account). He'll keep expectations modest whilst lamenting how his hands have been tied. He'll make people who have never seen Everton win or who have forgotten they saw Everton win feel fuzzy and pious, even morally superior. He'll be competent. We'll all have sore heads from banging them against his self-imposed glass ceiling.

That's clearly enough for many people. Good for them. But without true hope and a touch of fantasy, we're irrelevant and are blowing the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reboot the club with its new stadium, new owners, and new squad. Moyes did a good job on his return. That job is now over. If he stays in the summer, we're just delaying and diluting the reboot when it finally happens.

For the avoidance of doubt: I'm not calling for his head. He did a fine job this season for us. But I never saw him as the future and I see his extended tenure as a statement of ambition - or lack thereof - by the Friedkins. Him staying on is the definition of "meh" for me. He'll do - but not a whole lot.

A steady calm season next year with us fighting for around 10th, is what I'd be happy with next season.

Clearly that's not where we want to be longer term and we need to aim higher. But let's see steady improvement first before we expect too much.

Changing the manager in the summer is one of the most ridiculous things we could do. There will come a point in 2 to 3 years where I hope we will be able to aim much higher than the safety of midtable, but we have work to do first.

Until we prioritise signing good attackers who score goals, this squad won't be very good. Regardless of who is in charge.

 

[sd_1992]

How many managers have we had in the past 12 years and how many have been a success?, and some people want to get rid of another one.

We were relegation fodder when he came in like we have been for years, he hasn't had a proper transfer window and we don't even know what PSR means for us this summer.

Some people live in a deluded world.

We have hired one decent manager in the last 12 years and proceeded to pull the financial rug out from under him.

That is why we are crap. Not because we have hired and fired decent managers.

 

[Terrarian]

The seasons done, the players have got one flip flop on and Ipswich are already relegated so pressure off them but they were playing for some pride.

I do hope they turn up for the last Goodison game though. I just don't see the point stressing when the season for us is finished. We don't have to like it but psychology says the players know they're safe and have probably switched off a bit.

Let's see what happens in the summer, we'll soon know how serious TFG are.