£25m for Baines. Yes or No?

[Bez the Blue]

Hold out for even more, if city are involved god knows what they would be prepared to pay, 30 mill? 20mill plus Milner, they paid 24 mill for a odd looking horse, they are nutters.

 

[TheFinnFan]

never sell him!!!!!! i would rather take money from rodwell. (and then buy Klose)

 

[chicoazul]

I'd hold whoever wanted him to a ridiculous amount, like the Carroll fee.

If someone wants to pay that then snap up Celtic's left back straight away and lets play some soccer.

 

[Tubey]

You sell 1 player for £25 million.

You get an equally capable left back for £7 million (and lets face it, its not Baines defending which makes him so good).

You spend another £7 million on a left winger who can beat a man and cross a ball.

You then spend the remianing £11 million on a striker who can score goals and help out the team.

Surely that improves the team?

Of course its hypothetical and might not come off, but if we are to try and strengthen the team it has to come from sales.

We wouldn't get an equally capable left back for £7m.

We wouldn't get any sort of quality left winger for £7m. Remember Bilyaletdinov?

You wouldn't get a little known, unproven/exciting prospect/veteran journeyman striker for £11m, or rather the £7m we'd be able to spend and the £4m we'd have to bank to supplement wages. Demba Ba, regarded by some on here as an Anichebe/Heskey hybrid, still cost £6-7m.

That'd be true under normal circumstances - but once every club in the world know we have £25m in our arse pocket it's doubly true.

If anyone can state 3 players we could bring in who would notably improve the squad in those positions for under £25m I'd be pleasantly surprised.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

We wouldn't get an equally capable left back for £7m.

How much was Baines?
How much was Ashley Cole?

We wouldn't get any sort of quality left winger for £7m. Remember Bilyaletdinov?

Remember Pienaar?

You wouldn't get a little known, unproven/exciting prospect/veteran journeyman striker for £11m, or rather the £7m we'd be able to spend and the £4m we'd have to bank to supplement wages. Demba Ba, regarded by some on here as an Anichebe/Heskey hybrid, still cost £6-7m.

That'd be true under normal circumstances - but once every club in the world know we have £25m in our arse pocket it's doubly true.

If anyone can state 3 players we could bring in who would notably improve the squad in those positions for under £25m I'd be pleasantly surprised.

Argh!!!!

 

[Gwladys Nights]

Of course not. Any fan wanting to cash in on a scouser who supported us as a lad (eventually) and sat on the bench for a year and a half without complaining when he first signed voids their right to complain about a lack of loyalty from players in the future.

Baines is gold dust.

 

[Tubey]

How much was Baines?
How much was Ashley Cole?



Remember Pienaar?



Argh!!!!

Different world now mate. I actually made the same points you're making now last week, but changed my mind - simply because you can't run a Premier League club solely on the possibility of unearthing diamond after diamond from the lower leagues.

I've sung the praises of Robert Snodgrass, Dale Jennings etc, so I am not entirely dismissing the lower leagues. But decent Championship players these days still command fees of up to £5-6m, and most of them flop (Nugent etc.)

As soon as we sell someone for £20m+, we'll get charged double. We won't get a better player than Baines for £7m, as I rate him as one of the best three left backs in the world. So selling him and bringing in two decent players for £10-15m each wouldn't drastically improve the team, if at all, and four or five bargain buys wouldn't either.

I'd rather sell Rodwell. It's an area of the team we're covered for and easier to buy further cover for. Joey Barton for buttons given he's on his way, then we have £20m we can spend on a striker and still have a top class left-back on the books.

And you'd need £20m for a top grade striker I'm afraid.

If Everton were smart, we'd sign players on installments, knowing we had a sale lined up to finance it.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

How much was Baines?
How much was Ashley Cole?



Remember Pienaar?



Argh!!!!

Argh indeed.

Its not "WE WILL" or "WE WON'T".

I mean i bet anything Tubey would of said we would never get one of the best left backs in the world for £6 million from Wigan.

Yet we did.

Given Moyes skill in the transfer market i fully believe he could get an equally good defensive lb as Baines, a decent winger/wide left midfielder and a decent striker for £25 million which would leave us as a team on an equal if not superior position as we are now.

 

[Tubey]

Argh indeed.

Its not "WE WILL" or "WE WON'T".

I mean i bet anything Tubey would of said we would never get one of the best left backs in the world for £6 million from Wigan.

Yet we did.

Given Moyes skill in the transfer market i fully believe he could get an equally good defensive lb as Baines, a decent winger/wide left midfielder and a decent striker for £25 million which would leave us as a team on an equal if not superior position as we are now.

Did we get an equally good centre forward once we got rid of Wayne Rooney to Manchester United?

Moyes can only work wonders so far. When a club loses one of the worlds finest players in their given position, they don't just magic another in.

Alex Ferguson didn't replace Cristiano Ronaldo, Arsenal didn't replace Thierry Henry.

Selling Baines and assuming the next left back through the door will be "just as good" is at best naive and at worst disastrous.

We'd need £30m+ for Baines.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

Did we get an equally good centre forward once we got rid of Wayne Rooney to Manchester United?

Moyes can only work wonders so far. When a club loses one of the worlds finest players in their given position, they don't just magic another in.

Alex Ferguson didn't replace Cristiano Ronaldo, Arsenal didn't replace Thierry Henry.

Selling Baines and assuming the next left back through the door will be "just as good" is at best naive and at worst disastrous.

We'd need £30m+ for Baines.

Arguably got a better team though.

 

[Tubey]

Arguably got a better team though.

Generally yes. But it's marginal, and not based off the Rooney money alone.

I just don't see the point in selling our best player, unless it was an unthinkable offer.

£20m+ when Rooney was sold is the equivalent to £30m+ now. Everton are a "bigger" club now after multiple European outings and a solid finish in the league. We shouldn't sell on the cheap - £20-25m for me is cheap.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Did we get an equally good centre forward once we got rid of Wayne Rooney to Manchester United?

Moyes can only work wonders so far. When a club loses one of the worlds finest players in their given position, they don't just magic another in.

Alex Ferguson didn't replace Cristiano Ronaldo, Arsenal didn't replace Thierry Henry.

Selling Baines and assuming the next left back through the door will be "just as good" is at best naive and at worst disastrous.

We'd need £30m+ for Baines.

We finished 4th the season after selling Rooney and United seem to of done ok for themselves since selling Ronaldo.

You can weaken the team in one position yet strengthen it in others. One step back to take two steps forward.

We don't need to get a like for like replacement for Baines. Say he is a 9/10 for the team. If we sell him and get in 3 players who are a 5/10 then thats a 15 in total which surely makes us a better team.

You understand what i'm saying right? I'd love to keep Baines and bring in 3 extra players. But if we had to sell Baines, could get decent money i believe we could bring in 3 players which would actually strengthen the squad.

And Baines worth comes from his attacking play, not his defensive play. Defensively he's about Hibberts level, hence why its his goals and assists which are so importnant to us.

Sure we could match that across 3 new players, plus it would give us 2 extra bodies which with our small squad and injury record we could do with.

Ok it appears you get my drift but its the fee which you think is too low, fair do's you might be right but i think for £25 mill its achievable if not more difficult than with more money obviously.

 

[Tubey]

We don't need to get a like for like replacement for Baines. Say he is a 9/10 for the team. If we sell him and get in 3 players who are a 5/10 then thats a 15 in total which surely makes us a better team.

You understand what i'm saying right?

I understand it. I just don't agree with it.

Sell a Baines and bring in another Bilyaletdinov, Anichebe and Van Der Meyde?

No thanks

Sell Rodwell, bring in Barton for £3m for depth, £20m+ on a striker. That's the answer.

If you're a progressing club, you don't sell your best player unless it's silly money. Baines is, in my view, our best player, along with Fellaini. Rodwell is, in a way, dispensable and valued the same.

 

[little curly alan ball]

So then, it seems like Baines could very well be the subject of a decent transfer bid or two this summer. After all, he was our player of the season - that award in itself equates to a transfer bid or two.

So, as we did with Lescott last summer - lets put a price on him. Football Manager style.

Media reports are claiming £25m - if that was the case - a £25m with all going to Moyes - would you sell? - Vote.

My tuppence worth...

Perspective. As good as a season he had - we don't have the luxury to refuse that offer. He's a left back - we could get a decent left back in, get one of the young lads in as cover and and get a new decent strike force with that amount.

Lets not arse about with this one - lets not get a titty lip out - lets not have a hangover going into a new season - lets play ball and say "He's available at this price pay it, pay it early or we'll do a Villa with Gareth Barry or a Blackpool with Charlie Adam"

Not for me .

The only 3 position Footballer in the Prem . Left Back , Most Creative Option , Dead Ball Duce ...

Stick !!!

 

[Seamus Colemole]

I understand it. I just don't agree with it.

Sell a Baines and bring in another Bilyaletdinov, Anichebe and Van Der Meyde?

No thanks

Sell Rodwell, bring in Barton for £3m for depth, £20m+ on a striker. That's the answer.

If you're a progressing club, you don't sell your best player unless it's silly money. Baines is, in my view, our best player, along with Fellaini. Rodwell is, in a way, dispensable and valued the same.

Yeah like pretty muc h everyone else i'd prefer to sell Rodwell.

But this thread is would you sell Baines for £25 million.

And for your Bilyaletdinov, Anichebe and VDM i'll raise you a Arteta, Yakubu and Jagielka. Whats that? £20 million at the most with £5million to spare.

Its a risk but could work.