The L.C.A.B. / THT Transfer Window Thread ....

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That depends on what yardstick you want to use.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/1860677.stm

Simonsen, Pistone, Stubbs, Weir, Unsworth, Clarke, Gascoigne, Gemmill (Blomqvist 73), Linderoth (Alexandersson 45), Radzinski, Moore (Chadwick 45). Subs Not Used: Gerrard, Cleland.

^ That one.

Compare that squad to now. Granted, 2002 and not 1999, but we're substantially better off than we were under Johnson.

1999 - 14th Success.
2011 - 14th Complete failure.

We weren't better placed under Johnson. Absolutely no way.
 

LCAB, just to say I appreciate what you post re the club. I know you don't like to talk too openly about this stuff, and I can appreciate why, but the stuff you do post is invaluble to those of us who do care but have no way of knowing what actually goes on. There is much ****e posted (particularly on TPF & Kipper) its hard to distill any reality from it.

Keep it up when you can sir (I'd have PM'ed this to you, but apparently I need to whitter aimlessly for another 38 posts first) !

Seconded. I reckon both LCAB and THT are a bit gutted. Their anticipation that not even Everton could come up empty handed in a transfer window where we let go three (presently) has been shot down. If there's no activity from the club then source or no source there's little or nothing for them to post about. If there is I'm sure they'll have it first. Regardless, their eforts are appreciated.
 

But you could do that with nearly all clubs. What teams haven't improved over the course of a decade?

I'm not saying they haven't handed over the bulk of the incoming cash to Moyes from sales and revenue (minus operatinal costs and debt repayments), I'm saying that anyone could have done that. There's not a single plug nickel from the board invested into the club.

The case is yet to be sustained: how have they improved us?
 

LCAB, just to say I appreciate what you post re the club. I know you don't like to talk too openly about this stuff, and I can appreciate why, but the stuff you do post is invaluble to those of us who do care but have no way of knowing what actually goes on. There is much ****e posted (particularly on TPF & Kipper) its hard to distill any reality from it.

Keep it up when you can sir (I'd have PM'ed this to you, but apparently I need to whitter aimlessly for another 38 posts first) !

Thank you , Mikey , kid .

From BOTH Me and My Brother .

Its FOR US , lid .

FOR US , my mate .
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/1860677.stm



^ That one.

Compare that squad to now. Granted, 2002 and not 1999, but we're substantially better off than we were under Johnson.

1999 - 14th Success.
2011 - 14th Complete failure.

We weren't better placed under Johnson. Absolutely no way.

I think Davek is making the point about how the board operated under Johnson and Kenwright rather than the team.

Infact, if Im going off this - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/everton-transfers.html we havent changed the way we operate transfer wise under the 2 owners, its just that Moyes has sold players for more money and bought wisely.

I know Smith said he had to sell to buy...but he and Walker bought some ****e and got rid a season later.
 
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I think Davek is making the point about how the board operated under Johnson and Kenwright rather than the team.

The most blatant yardstick to measure progress is expectation levels and the team.

We've come on leaps and bounds since Johnson. Clearly. I can't believe anyone would consider us on an even level playing field in 1999 compared to now.
 

That's actually debateable. The final months of his tenure aside - when it was like the sacking of Rome - you tell me.

Tbh I was just stirring.. i was too young then to be aware of any of the off the pitch activities... all i cared about were the matches and playing myself!
 
Cant wait till the end of this crap month comes to an end, mainly due to how many more players could be sold with no replacements lined up.
 
Reading the tea-leaves, I think it's clear that if we are to do any business, it's going to be on the last day when managers - not just Moyes - start to panic. This is frustrating and tense, but given the club's current finances it's the only time that the kind of deals we can afford become feasible.

If Moyes really doesn't have striking targets in mind that he thinks are possible then he's being remarkably ballsy by letting Yak, and to a lesser degree Vaughan, go. It seems at odds with his evident natural conservatism. There are clearly options out there if he simply wants a change of faces to choose from - Vela, and possibly Tuncay, the latter of whom I personally rate - but if he's looking for a bargain then maybe declaring the season a washout and keeping his powder dry until the summer may not be a bad idea. The only issue is avoiding relegation, or possibly trying to put together a cup run; it could be that waiting too see if we get past Chelsea isn't so bad a ploy.

On the subject of Kenwright and the future - I take LCAB's missive about his unproffessionalism at face value. I can believe it. However Kenwright is not the only member of the current management, and he's not even the majority owner. As a result, if the fans were to force him out, who would be his replacement? A faceless unknown like Robert Earl? How about an Indian meat-packing company a la Blackburn? I mean, what's their game? Are they really going to stick around if success doesn't arrive? Personally, I don't blame Kenwright for not selling to people whose motives do not clearly start and end with the success of the club. Of course, that assumes offers have been made...

It's clear to me that for Everton to progress, one of two things needs to happen:

  1. a run in the Champions League; or
  2. a joint stadium with Liverpool is constructed.
(1) Means we need success in order to buy success. We are simply NOT an attractive proposition otherwise I'm afraid to say, the result of two decades of poor performances and our proximity to the RS. Other teams in the country that have famous neighbours - Spurs and Citeh spring to mind - both have things that we don't: population density in Spurs case, so that the neighbours don't soak up a majority of the surrounding fans, or in Citeh's case a modern and large stadium.

(2) Is just the stark reality of the state of both clubs' finances and the difficulties in trying to build a world-class stadium in one of the poorest areas of the country. A joint stadium would be used every week and would almost certainly be in line for money from the local development agencies. Literally the only technical reason that it may not work is concern over the quality of the pitches. All else is emotion and is this changeable if the clubs were to make an effort to form public opinion instead of reacting to it.
 
Reading the tea-leaves, I think it's clear that if we are to do any business, it's going to be on the last day when managers - not just Moyes - start to panic. This is frustrating and tense, but given the club's current finances it's the only time that the kind of deals we can afford become feasible.

If Moyes really doesn't have striking targets in mind that he thinks are possible then he's being remarkably ballsy by letting Yak, and to a lesser degree Vaughan, go. It seems at odds with his evident natural conservatism. There are clearly options out there if he simply wants a change of faces to choose from - Vela, and possibly Tuncay, the latter of whom I personally rate - but if he's looking for a bargain then maybe declaring the season a washout and keeping his powder dry until the summer may not be a bad idea. The only issue is avoiding relegation, or possibly trying to put together a cup run; it could be that waiting too see if we get past Chelsea isn't so bad a ploy.

On the subject of Kenwright and the future - I take LCAB's missive about his unproffessionalism at face value. I can believe it. However Kenwright is not the only member of the current management, and he's not even the majority owner. As a result, if the fans were to force him out, who would be his replacement? A faceless unknown like Robert Earl? How about an Indian meat-packing company a la Blackburn? I mean, what's their game? Are they really going to stick around if success doesn't arrive? Personally, I don't blame Kenwright for not selling to people whose motives do not clearly start and end with the success of the club. Of course, that assumes offers have been made...

It's clear to me that for Everton to progress, one of two things needs to happen:

  1. a run in the Champions League; or
    [*]a joint stadium with Liverpool is constructed.

(1) Means we need success in order to buy success. We are simply NOT an attractive proposition otherwise I'm afraid to say, the result of two decades of poor performances and our proximity to the RS. Other teams in the country that have famous neighbours - Spurs and Citeh spring to mind - both have things that we don't: population density in Spurs case, so that the neighbours don't soak up a majority of the surrounding fans, or in Citeh's case a modern and large stadium.

(2) Is just the stark reality of the state of both clubs' finances and the difficulties in trying to build a world-class stadium in one of the poorest areas of the country. A joint stadium would be used every week and would almost certainly be in line for money from the local development agencies. Literally the only technical reason that it may not work is concern over the quality of the pitches. All else is emotion and is this changeable if the clubs were to make an effort to form public opinion instead of reacting to it.

You were doing ok until you wrote that.

Then it became stuff and nonsense.

Go check out Munich 1860 and what happened to them in their shared stadium.

Or how Inter want to leave the San Siro to triple revenue. In fact every Italian club does as they feel it's held them back.

Then come back.
 
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The most blatant yardstick to measure progress is expectation levels and the team.

We've come on leaps and bounds since Johnson. Clearly. I can't believe anyone would consider us on an even level playing field in 1999 compared to now.

But isnt that largely due to Moyes? The current team, style, idea of the modern Everton seems more down to Moyes than the board.

Being devils advocate to be fair, but its interesting point. In terms of transfer we've been selling to buy for almost 20 years and Moyes' buys have been considerably better than Walkers and Smith's who were doing the same thing in the window Moyes has been doing.
 

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