1995-2020 = the longest barren spell without silverware in Everton's history

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On the plus side we are happily free from glory hunters , pot chasers and the many other variegated species of arrogant self absorbed scum that infest certain more successful clubs.

Having been in Madrid this weekend I can confirm that at least 50% of their support were complete bandwagon hoppers from all corners of the globe who happen to be very affluent people that can afford to throw money at such a game. My mate came back from the game last night and actually said there was a bloke next to him in a Liverpool top who didn´t know a single song apart from YNWA.
 

The difference as far as I can see is the fans, when Liverpool are not performing well the fans get right behind them and give the team a lift and they get through it.. when we are not preforming well we moan and boo and the players respond in a negative way.. I've seen Everton fans having a laugh at Liverpool fans for the banners they've made and call it kopite behavior and embarrassing... well they have just won the champions league and we are here discussing a record drought for silverware.. tell me which is embarrassing.

They support their own team and create match changing atmospheres.

We tend to boo and demand sackings. Rightly so in some cases tbf. But it's way too frequent.

Don't get me wrong they hound out anyone they deem not good enough with a nasty hostility. But they generally get behind their own club as a collective and it does help.
 
If we dont win a trophy next season a shameful anniversary will be upon us: 25 years without a trophy win. That'll eclipse the previous barren period between 1939-1963 by a year (and that was as lengthy as it was because there was no football for 6 years because of a war). Since 1995, Leicester have won three trophies; Villa, Blackburn, M'boro, Birmingham City, Swansea City, Portsmouth and Wigan have each won a trophy.

Our downfall hasn't happened by accident. It's happened because the club in the last quarter of a century has been run by amateurs who've squandered the greatest money spree there's ever been at the disposal of Everton in its history. It's gone nowhere. Spent on paying off loans (and the interest run up for those loans...and that's another murky area in and of itself). Those loans were taken out because a series of owners simply didn't have the wherewithal to make a successful takeover happen and they used the club's PL status as a credit card and a liberal sprinkling of player sales to keep themselves in position for a future sale. Oh yes, there's been poor recruitment of managers and players. The cash wasted there hasn't helped either.

But this has been an age defined by our former peers upgrading stadia / building new stadia in order to stay competitive and increase their chances of success, but Everton's owners were too dimwitted to ever get a stadium idea off the drawing board and built. Which should come as no surprise to anyone, because they are the same people who employed a variety of CEOs to cut deals which were appallingly small for a club of this size, people who exhibited no idea how to grow Everton into a commercially viable operation. They've all recognised the key problem, for sure, but that's only been in order to hide their failure behind the mantra of 'facility-led' recovery and then they fold their arms as if nothing else matters. And here we are now still waiting for it with promises of updates where a secured planning permission for a stadium and funding to build it should be.

So, as we head into our 25th year in the wilderness, take a bow Messrs Johnson, Finch, Kenwright, Gregg, Earl, Dunford, Wyness, Elstone, Moshiri...and you too Mrs Barrett-Baxendale.

We wake up to the continuing nightmare of our local rival lifting another piece of silverware and taking their place in the sun while we remain firmy in the shadows, but remember that those named above are our real enemies, not an embarrassing cult who just so happen to share the same city as us. No one at Liverpool bollocksed us up for this length of time. The perpetrators of our quarter of a century decline all sat and sit in our boardroom at L4.

To be fair to Moshiri Dave, he did wipe the entire management structure when they squandered best of £250m.
 
I see what you're saying, Dave. Please define the above for us. Of what does "hitting back" consist?

Speak to me like you would explain to an eight year old. Anyone can see that the affection we hold for this club has been used against us like a cudgel by those who claim the same affection while in management over the past few decades, all the while cashing the rent checks for their residency. How does this change, other than to walk away?

Specifics? How do we get Everton recognized as the asset that it is? Of what does that asset consist if not supported by our affection?

Hitting back relates as much to winning the debate amongst our own fanbase that these people are to blame. Look at what's happened in the past when demos were organised to place pressure on Kenwright and co - they were howled down by even more fans who supported the continuation of mediocrity and failure.

There's the difference between our peers and us. There's no pissing about debating the rights and wrongs of individuals in the hot seat. Fans of those clubs point at the table and will eventually in a unified voice say NO MORE!
 
@mikeh72 , @davek and others are absolutely right here.We are now in the utterly rotten position of not simply hoping that we can bridge the gap with City / the RS, but that the likes of Arsenal and United can recover enough to challenge or disrupt them.

Here's a list of PL winners since 1992 https://www.totalsportek.com/list/english-premier-league-winners-since-1992/ . In 27 years there has only been one truly "shock" winner, Leicester. Blackburn were incredibly well funded. Even in the 80s prior to the PL, we won it, and they won it, and both clubs were probably the wealthiest around. You now need to compete with sovereign states and mega-billionaire consortia to have any realistic chance.

This won't be a hugely popular thing to say but it's got the point where actually, Everton now spend a morally repugnant amount of money to do absolutely nothing every season. There have been two moments for me in relatively recent times that have reinforced this; Heitinga's second season, where we spent over £80m in wages. I remember the season finishing and thinking "what was the point in that". The second was when Allardyce took the squad to Dubai. Not only did it feel like a total waste of resources and pampering on a team that had performed hopelessly, we had that infamous photo of Davies and DCL farting around in the hotel lobby in ridiculous multi-coloured shirts. They were having a wonderful time, young millionaires who... just so happened to have been midway through completely appalling seasons.

Let's say Davies gets around £2m a season for wages and bonuses now he has a new contract. What does he actually contribute to the organisation? Would we actually miss him if, say, we took him out of it, saving that £2m? No, we wouldn't. There's no point in this being a relative measure - it's still £2m. Take this out of the mad bubble of professional sports and it's totally mad. And we aren't paying him to grow the business, or to get us challenging for and winning trophies. We're not even really paying him to stay still, as last season we showed we could do that easily without him.

You can see why the Dutch clubs - who tend to have a far better moral steer on this sort of thing - have just sacked it off in terms of mega-spending. According to Wikipedia, Daley Blind is the most expensive ever Dutch incoming purchase at about £13m. Frenkie De Jong was sold for 75m euros. We don't have to fuel this gluttony, and ultimately, we cannot compete by spending in this current football cycle.
 

@davek brilliant post mate.

Hopefully Brands and silva can change something and get us believing but we’ve seen far too many false dawns.

Long suffering fans us and we should demand more.
demand more how? what have you personally done that has demanded more from the Club? It's all good writing words or saying it but that's just it
 
Spot on, great post mate.

Sadly though I see no end to our barren spell in sight. The people who run this club have us right were they want us, tucked nice and safely away in mid-table safe from relegation with no expectations beyond that. We as Evertonians need to demand more from this club amd voice our discontent more forcefully.
The reaction to this consultation saga on the stadium says it all. Fans at this club have got sticking their heads in the sand down to a tee.
 
To be fair to Moshiri Dave, he did wipe the entire management structure when they squandered best of £250m.
He'll act decisively on peripheral matters. I sense drift in the overall core plan though.

This is a VERY forgiving fanabse. I think it's a fanbase that's been abused because of it.
 

He'll act decisively on peripheral matters. I sense drift in the overall core plan though.

This is a VERY forgiving fanabse. I think it's a fanbase that's been abused because of it.

In relation to what?

I agree about the fan base though, they bought the whole poor old Everton gambit. We should have been more vocal, so us as fans need to make a stance as well
 
Hitting back relates as much to winning the debate amongst our own fanbase that these people are to blame. Look at what's happened in the past when demos were organised to place pressure on Kenwright and co - they were howled down by even more fans who supported the continuation of mediocrity and failure.

There's the difference between our peers and us. There's no pissing about debating the rights and wrongs of individuals in the hot seat. Fans of those clubs point at the table and will eventually in a unified voice say NO MORE!
Yes, but... They've been saying "no more" in Cleveland since the 70's, and it just gets worse. My Cubs only found the key when we got Theo Epstein to do what he did in Boston. The key is having the person in Marcel Brands' job perform it at the level of Theo Epstein. Can Brands do it?

It's a tall order. More common is this:

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Meanwhile, keep their feet to the fire until it works. The proof of concept is Bramley-Moore. It must happen. Pardon the possibly obscure American references, but they describe my thoughts precisely and they're the facts I know.
 
In relation to what?

I agree about the fan base though, they bought the whole poor old Everton gambit. We should have been more vocal, so us as fans need to make a stance as well
The stadium. It's nonsense. Pure nonsense. You're not daft. You 'know' it too.
 
I've seen us win loads since 1963. I'm a pensioner now, I truly doubt that I will see us raise another major trophy, I do so hope that I am wrong, but, I just don't see us competing for a long time. More years than I can expect.
My heart goes out to the younger blues who don't know what it is like to go to the match every week expecting to win.
 
The stadium. It's nonsense. Pure nonsense. You're not daft. You 'know' it too.

I feel like me and you are in the minority on this forum when it comes to the stadium. I don´t understand given the antics we´ve seen over the past 30 years that people think this thing will get built. These things cost ridiculous amounts of money and a massive commitment from an owner who has no real affiliation/obligation to us.

Up until now we´ve heard nice soundbites but that´s all. Until they start digging the ground I won´t believe it.
 

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