roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Next home game, I will ring my door ball, really loud. Or toot my horn, so to speak.
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Next home game, I will ring my door ball, really loud. Or toot my horn, so to speak.
I don’t even see it as diverse opinions, some are looking at it micro (results), some macro (long term).
I have a belief about managers generally, 1. They aren’t as influential as people think they are, and 2. They all need time. So I’m often always against swinging the axe (the exception being Smith).
If I’m being very honest, I think we have a poor squad in all honesty, one not really up to his philosophy and one that has struggled with any philosophey under every manager. It’s a hard truth, but one we will do ourselves a favor acknowledging that. One common denomanator under every manager has been the players. If I was looking at the root cause of poor results it’s there, consistently regardless of the manager.
I don’t really agree with your opinion generally on Marco, if I’m being honest, I might next season though, you could be right, but hopefully not.
4737carlin
Player Valuation: £90m
He didn't burn any bridges, when he left he got a great farewell and always gets welcomed back at Goodison.
ijjysmith
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To be fair I hope i'm wrong too. I don't want to be right.
I'm all for giving a manager time, but it has to be the right one or what's the point? I've seen nothing in Marco Silva, ever, to say he's good enough for what we allegedly want to achieve. I cannot see how people can disagree with that.
However, if he does well, Everton do well. And that is the important thing. Absolutely not important whether you, me or anyone on here is right or wrong. He does well, Everton do too.
Sadly the opposite is true, and the form he's shown points to that.
ForeverBlue92
Player Valuation: £80m
Must say after seeing Moyes' comments on the derby he certainly still gets the club/fanbase.
I never liked the idea of him coming back but should Silva go this season or next and we couldnt get a top manager in - I would have him back over someone like Rodgers or Martinez.
Doubt he would work with Brands so it would be a non starter anyway most likely.
I never liked the idea of him coming back but should Silva go this season or next and we couldnt get a top manager in - I would have him back over someone like Rodgers or Martinez.
Doubt he would work with Brands so it would be a non starter anyway most likely.
Would rather liquidate the club than have Moyes back myself.
And im somebody who REALLY appreciated the job he did while he was here.
And im somebody who REALLY appreciated the job he did while he was here.
That’s fair enough it’s all opinion, I’d personally disagree for the reasons I’ve given in the first post i wrote today, it’s not blind fate.
The job of work is a process rather then event in my opinion.
Wow.
ijjysmith
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Agreed. It wouldn’t be a backwards step it would be jumping in the Delorean getting to 88 and nearly banging your mum backwards.
Sadly it is blind faith mate.
You honestly cant make a case for the man, ive tried, in my mind, he simply has nothing to point to that makes you feel as tho he could do a great job.
Thats not to say im not willing to give him time, as you know im a big fan of the boy Brands and think he will be able to build a decent squad for somebody to utilise. Not this summer tho for sure, its gonna take a few windows.
But to backtrack a little, I suppose the fact that Silva likes to play attractive attacking football would be my main reason to retain him, but hes gotta do more, a lot, lot more.
He was great for us, without a shadow of a doubt, he got us from the bottom to nearly to the top, he gave us something to hope for, but sadly the longer he stayed, the more it became blatantly obvious that he was never gonna break that glass ceiling, yes he didnt have the money, but it wasnt just about money, it was about mindset.
Hes not the manager you employ to make a dent at the top.
Yup.
Frang
Player Valuation: £70m
yup this is where im at too.
thing is with silva is , he always got one of these horrendous runs in him which would derail any sort of good start you might get..
if hes here next season and we get a strong start like he is renowned for, but then goes on a 15 game run when we pick 3 pts up, then theres no reason to keep him, as we will never be getting into the top 4/6 ...
I’d openly admit I rated him when he showed up at Hull, I remember them doing a tactical job on us over Xmas and Rom getting us out of jail for a 1-1. That sparked an interest in him and I followed him since. Watching a fair bit of Hull and Watford, I think he has the knowledge, skills and values to succeed. What he hasn’t proven yet is longevity, he tends to get an initial response and then plateaus, though to be fair the situation often dictated the outcome, we aren’t not guilty in that.
I have criticisms of him, the zonal stuff is dire and obvious. But he has turned the oil tanker around on our style of play, with more to come. I think he has gotten better out of some players already here and his signings have carried us largely. I think we were a basket case club, with a bloated low quality playing squad derived of confidence, running at budget deficits. Some of the limits forced on him aren’t of his making but he has managed them, to create a sprit and a togetherness. I believe he’s operating in limits and deficiencies not of his making.
I think his approach is a bit jarring as it’s out of our norm, we are used to a pragmatic approach, he will risk a loss to get a win, their is a whole generation of our support who haven’t lived under that philosophey, it’s new and out of the norm. But I admire me him sticking to that principal.
Like I’ve said, this season results are irrelevant in a way, it’s all about foundations and running the anti virus, it’s a process not an event, it’s making a low quality squad and trying to transition it to a competitive one, slowly raising the quality level from window to window.
I’ll back most managers as long as relegation isn’t an issue, because I have a philosophey and belief about managers as I have said. I think with the right moves and support in the tiers above him in managing the inherited limits, he can progress us.
Next season is a different set of circumstances and expectations though, it’s not a free pass, he needs to be challenging for Europe and improving the boom and bust thing, moving toward consistency.
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