General Meeting

[Brisan123]

It’s so funny so many people at the club with there heads up there bums. The owner, the manager, the chairman and now the director of football. Financially the club are going forward so they will all be happy but on the pitch we aren’t going forward. Brands is silly saying we don’t need any players in the January window coz we all know we do

Don’t remember Brands saying that
Can you post a link to where he said that
Thanks

 

[Brisan123]

Have some optimism mate

Optimism = Hope
And we all know what hope does

 

[Brisan123]

And this is why football is all about opinions.

Personally I’m with Neiler here but Dave, please don’t ever change mate

He can’t , it’s embeded in his DNA

 

[BlueToff]

Yes.



Good luck with all that when the elite are spending big buying all the best talent.

Which is why we've got Brands... a guy with a proven track record of finding other talent (Lozano, Strootman, Wijnaldum etc).

 

[davek]

A few things left me hopefull. We have often talked where the fault lay in blowing the boom, while many laid the blame at the door of managers and Dof, they were symptom of the overall problem. That being the lack of skill and competency in the governance of the club. We’re talking Elestones, Woods and the rest of the faceless men who ran the club with zero accountability of culbility. Tonight illustrated to me that since the last GM there has been a cull/revolution. What we have now is dedicated board members taking ownership of specialisms with divisions of the club. If the stadium goes belly up we know who is accountable, if the finance is to big of a bite we know who is accountable, football etc. For any organization to work you need proper corporate goverence, delegation, skill sets with in accontability and culpability. Did you notice Bill has been relegated to pretty much a cheer leader. I thought Denise energiec, dynamic and very enthusiastic she came across really well. I know the proof of the above change in governance will be in results. But I spent all last season, banging on about our lack of governance and impact on the club and the wastefulllness, so seeing this identified and attempts to rectify have me hopefull.

Secondly this is the first time Moshiri has been realistic. You may win good will from supporters by saying unrealistic things “I’ll give you everything we have got” or setting unrealistic expectations. The reality is though, his investment is limited, he’s more or less confirmed it tonight and I think he’s reluctant to put any more into the football side of it. This was always going to be the case, he was never going to compete with the CIty and Chelsea by just throwing money at it, that lesson has cost him the guts of 250 mill. The club currently is operating way beyond its means, unless there are creative outs before May we are posting a loss of 40 odd million. That is unsustainable. All that was more or less acknowledged.

What I took from tonight was a change of model and approach, instead of following the route of finance the City & Chelsea and a quick easy win, the brawn approach. We look like structurally, financially and philospecically going to build on a more self sustaining approach like Spurs and Arsenal, one that requires skill and philosopher rather then 100s of millions. If I’m honest if he had come out again and said I’ll give you 100s if millions I would be massively concerned.

So to sum up really, I am hopefull, because of the recognition of poor corporate governance and its impact on the club, the fact that structures have been put in place to attempt to rectify this . An acknowledgment by the owner that his approach this far has been fool hearty and wasteful and that a different philosophey in how we want to develop and progress the football club is required.

I’m left with a sense of realism and acknowledgement of limits, with a strategy to attempt to counter these and progress in a realistic way this year as opposed to the that I’ve been spinned as in previous years around false expectations and easy wins.

I completely disagree. The difference last night (the change in mood and model you perceive) was simply the difference between a club that had a lot of cash to spend after bumper player sales to one that now doesn't. This is now classic Everton - an AGM that could have come from a decade ago with Bill in full BS mode: 'facility-led recovery'; stadium plan based on other parties providing the cash; boardroom appointments/consultants of 'specialists' in their field...see Leahy, Earl etc; a CEO who is a cats paw for the owner.

Welcome to 2008.

 

[Brisan123]

Reading that you;d think he wasn't the utter bellend who employed Koemageddon to make matters ten-times worse.

"We dont want to be number 11".

Lol. WTF.

The feller's a muppet.

“I think we've learnt, we've had bad luck, we've had poor judgement but I feel the business we did in the summer shows that we are in the right direction, but it's been difficult.”

He’s admitted he’s made mistakes , he’s admitted he’s had poor judgement, he said he’s learnt from it

 

[davek]

“I think we've learnt, we've had bad luck, we've had poor judgement but I feel the business we did in the summer shows that we are in the right direction, but it's been difficult.”

He’s admitted he’s made mistakes , he’s admitted he’s had poor judgement, he said he’s learnt from it

Is that why he says "we' rather than 'I"?

 

[davek]

Fair play to him, that's fairly good football knowledge from him. I'd say he's had a bit of bad luck in how we've used his money and how managers have let them down. It sounds like he may have been advised that we need to be a tad more patient than him chopping and changing the staff quickly. He uses the word patience a few times which stands out to me and rightfully so. The best part for me is that he's not going to tolerate failure. It was a way of letting silva know he has the support, but also needs to improve.




Haha yeah, too true dave, he should have said 11th is acceptable.

"number 11"...like he's ordering a Chinese. Then calls himself a fan.

The fraud.

 

[Brisan123]

I think we can safely say Rom, Ross and Stones won't be the 3 best players on a top 4 side. Moving on from Rom and Stones at the prices we got was sound business but now we need to go and get players who can challenge at the level we want to be.

Stones is the only one playing regularly for a top 4 side
Ross will be off to Newcastle shortly and Rom has shown he can’t cut it at the very top table

 

[Neiler]

I completely disagree. The difference last night (the change in mood and model you perceive) was simply the difference between a club that had a lot of cash to spend after bumper player sales to one that now doesn't. This is now classic Everton - an AGM that could have come from a decade ago with Bill in full BS mode: 'facility-led recovery'; stadium plan based on other parties providing the cash; boardroom appointments/consultants of 'specialists' in their field...see Leahy, Earl etc; a CEO who is a cats paw for the owner.

Welcome to 2008.

I know where you are coming from. But goals, methods and timelines set are objective and seem tempered by reason that is a change from our recent past for me, or at least to evoke a bit of trust. while transparency in roles reassures around accountability. Like i say the proof will be in results, but in spirit i was happy in changes that have happened in 12 months in the board and corporate governance particularly and a bit of realism and less spin from the owner toward a self sustainable development model of building the club, you know i like that approach like an Arsenal or Spurs.

Poor old Bill was working hard to be relevant wasn't he.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I completely disagree. The difference last night (the change in mood and model you perceive) was simply the difference between a club that had a lot of cash to spend after bumper player sales to one that now doesn't. This is now classic Everton - an AGM that could have come from a decade ago with Bill in full BS mode: 'facility-led recovery'; stadium plan based on other parties providing the cash; boardroom appointments/consultants of 'specialists' in their field...see Leahy, Earl etc; a CEO who is a cats paw for the owner.

Welcome to 2008.

Totally different Dave. We were never going to be bought by super rich investors (after City were snapped up by the Arabs and FFP came into play) that would build our stadium gratis and start collecting the world's best players. The problem here is with your expectations being too high.

As long as our spending is in and around Spurs' level over the next few years we will have done very well.

 

[JAYMULL]

I came from a Man Utd family dad and brother hardly missed a game home and away between 75-85. Brother is still ST holder with his son. In the early 80's about 84 my brother was distraught and actually said in his misery that Utd would never win the league again. He'd seen RS dominate for years, Everton were next in line until the horror of Hysel. Do you remember those days? Hysel changed everything and Man Utd were the club that benefit the most.Time has changed ofcourse football is nothing like it was back then but Utd did something right in the background at board level and appointed a great manager. We are trying to do something similar but it will take years. The people moaning on here when we are half way in to a season under a new manager and DOF are stupid. Alex Ferguson was one game away from the sack, Howard Kendall was one game away from the sack. Hysel changed everything otherwise we may have done what Man Utd did. Lets leave the past where it belongs and look forward with patience and optimism.

 

[Leeboy1974]

Don’t remember Brands saying that
Can you post a link to where he said that
Thanks

He said don’t expect any transfers in January

 

[blueblue]

We have thrown money at a problem and found that it simply work. The last manager we had who worked on a shoestring budget was Moyes and he was far more successful than Martinez, Koeman or Allyrdyce in the transfer market. It is clear we need to do things in a different way, we need to stop spending big money on players in the 28-30 age bracket , we need to stop signing too many players in a transfer window and then struggle to fit them into the team.

At least the transfer activity last summer seemed to be more sensible and successful. Richarlison has probably increased in value but certainly not gone backward and in his first season should finish with more than 15 league goals which would be very acceptable.
Digne is probably the best signing.
Minna has potential but I think it will be next season before we see him at his best and he is still a young player.
Bernard looks like very good value.
The loan players have done well at different times and I think most would like us to sign Gomes and possibly Zouma as well who is still young and learning.

At least now you have a measure of confidence that spending more money is not just flushing it down the drain.
I think last night was an exercise in getting fans to realise progress will be slower than they would like. That we will sign players but not as many and only the right players if/when they become available. I feel we will see far more players leave this month than arrive.

 

[Lanolin]

Stones is the only one playing regularly for a top 4 side
Ross will be off to Newcastle shortly and Rom has shown he can’t cut it at the very top table

Not even slightly true though is it. Barkley's played more games than we have this season, and Lukaku's slotting at better than 1 in 2 at United. Proper weird some of our fans.