Reflections on Koeman

[navidson]

Should have known something wasn't right with this fat tit when he spent weeks playing golf instead of signing his contract initially

 

[jceverton]

@catcherintherye




I believe i was initially the lone voice against him...slated his entire managerial career and was met with an army of posters stating how great he was...i took a lot of stick.

I TOLD YOU SO...

Yep and I was there with you as were a small minority of posters. It was clear that he had major problems with man management going back to Valencia. None of what happened with him should have come as a surprise. The blame for his disastrous reign is squarely on the shoulders of Moshiri. He should never have been appointed after Martinez. We basically needed someone who played positive attacking football but who could organise a team defensively. In short a better version of Martinez. Instead we went backwards with our football and it’s only now that we seem to be coming out of it.

 

[jceverton]

Well this thread was only going to go one way.

Since then Koeman has taken over a poor Netherlands side.
Record:
Lost his first match against England 1-0.
Drew with Italy, Belgium and Slovkia
Won against Germany, Portugal, Peru.
Lost to France in France's 'homecoming match' after their WC win, which no side was going to win.
Not a bad record compared with where they were last year.

Dutch were certainties to get relegated from there Nations League group with France and Germany.
Now it looks like Germany will.

Def Koeman could have done things a lot better.
But in hindsight, if you look at the difference in teams, it might have a lot to do with it.
How much blame should be attributed to the signings, Walsh and others is a mute point really.

Just maybe, the Blues are better off for having gone through the Koeman, Unsworth and BFS dark ages.
A period of Enlightenment to come?

Unfair to lump Unsworth in with those whoppers Koeman & Allardyce. He stepped in at an impossible time, tried his best for the club and attempted to play attacking football.

 

[kenada_blue]

Still feel he's the worst manager we've had since the premier league started

 

[barneygumble]

still better than fat allardyce

I know this was tongue in cheek, but I couldn’t disagree more.

Allardyce. As unpopular as he was, did the job he was brought here to do. He won ya points. He sorted the defence. He signed good players in Walcott and Tosun.

Allardyce for me, will always be a hugely unpopular figure, but Koeman and his unarsed effort to be a manager were hugely frustrating.

The arrogance, and undeserved confidence he had, that was a joke. Lost 5-2 to Arsenal? “Okay... you don’t win every game, this is football”.

Horrible Dutch get.

 

[kenada_blue]

Remember when he subbed on Niasse against Bournemouth and looked devastated that he'd won us the game?

He subbed him on to basically say here you go you lot asked for him and here he is... look how crap he is.

Then Prince Oumar buries two in the Street End.

And rather than be made up that we'd won the game he was more bothered by his own ego.

Bloody hell I can't bare to look at Roberto these days but at least you could tell he cared.

Ah yes. That was his "I've spunked £300million up the wall and I'm out of ideas" game.

 

[kenada_blue]

It's funny reading this thread with the knowledge that Southampton fans would welcome him back.

They've got Mark Hughes so anyone else would be an improvement

 

[degsy]

Not at all, it was due to the mess Koeman made, that we had to resort to bringing in Sam Allardyce.Ronald Koeman was our worst manager since Mike Walker.

Bit harsh on Walker

 

[Baines' left foot]

@catcherintherye




I believe i was initially the lone voice against him...slated his entire managerial career and was met with an army of posters stating how great he was...i took a lot of stick.

I TOLD YOU SO...

Something something broken clock something something.

 

[allezlesbleus]

Big name in football wanted to mix it with other big names in football but had to pay some dues as a coach first. Did that at Soton with some success. Could not resist the chance of a quick big contract with us especially with Moshiri prepared to spend quite big giving him the chance for some quick success en route to something better. Threw money at players with little thought about building a team that would last and thought like a player with one eye on next move rather than someone who wanted to build something that might last. Alehouse football from the word go as far as I could see and showed little enthusiasm for the job.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Remember when he subbed on Niasse against Bournemouth and looked devastated that he'd won us the game?

He subbed him on to basically say here you go you lot asked for him and here he is... look how crap he is.

Then Prince Oumar buries two in the Street End.

And rather than be made up that we'd won the game he was more bothered by his own ego.

Bloody hell I can't bare to look at Roberto these days but at least you could tell he cared.

Sounds like a lot of people on here.

Doesn't matter if we're doing well or not, just that Robbo can look like he is the fountain of football knowledge to his pals at the pub.

 

[davids]

Falls under the heading of managers who do OK at smaller clubs,but when they take the step up and have real money to spend just don't have it.

 

[Ameen]

The fact that he made us miss Martinez proved to be enough to let this guy eventually get the boot!

 

[bol-uk]

Not quite his reflection but it is Koeman in the mirror:

 

[Blue Roo]

Unfair to lump Unsworth in with those whoppers Koeman & Allardyce. He stepped in at an impossible time, tried his best for the club and attempted to play attacking football.

Agree, just saying the three amount to a period that is thankfully behind us.

Would also argue Koeman's not a bad coach, just that it turned out to be a shambles and he's partly to blame.
And Allardyce did what he was paid to do, does what he does, nothing more, nothing less.

Timing is everything. If Koeman had walked in at a different time, with Brands at the helm, might be a different story.
He taken over the Netherlands, like Silva has taken over Everton, coming out of a bad period, with lessons learnt.
He's got players coming through just as Silva has. They've both got buy in from their players.
They are implementing systems which is coming together with the right type of players.

With regards Koeman, what he tried to do and in the period he was trying to do it, was beyond his abilities. Not may would have sorted that mess out tbh.
He was clearly bewildered by all the players in front of him and how to manage them. Too many differing personalities, too much of a range of players.
He wasn't ruthless enough.
The management of senior players including Rooney was a poor. Buying Klassen and others was a mistake, indulging Rooney was a mistake, not cutting players was a mistake. Trying to get all these players to fit a system rather than building round a few key players was a mistake.
But what got to me was trying to be too many things while trying to lord over it all.
He may have respected the club and the position to begin with, but he found no gravitas, he didn't get inside the club the way you'd want, he didn't get the club, he didn't endear himself to the supporters, and when the bewilderment tended to mild disillusionment, he pretty much gave up before his time - and that surely is not going to be forgiven easily.

The club has learnt a lot from Koeman's time. And the way he's working with the Dutch team, I'd say he's learnt a lot too.