Stadium Stuff!

[neonleon]

I walked round Disneyworld singing that.

no one got it like.

They weren't allowed to get it.

That's like having a double whopper with cheese in McDonalds. Or wearing gazelle to a NIKE launch.

 

[Muggins]

He'll resurface in a few months like John Darwin pretending he doesn't know where he's been or that he even left.

 

[Inner-city]

Arsenal's Emirates has six stations, 5 London Underground connections and 3 Southern Rail, all a short walk from the stadium. To the bottom right of the stadium Drayton Park is a Southern Rail station. Three stations are nearly on the stadium. The whole 60,000 can be shifted quite quickly by using rapid-transit rail.

The key to the success of the stadium which is 98% full in all games, is clear to see - rapid-transit rail. People can get to and from with ease. The stadium generates high revenues due to the superior facilities and refreshments: cafes, bars, etc. There is minimal nuisance to the surrounding residents. The Emirates is served by 27 rapid-transit rail platforms within 10 minutes walk. The whole staium can be shifted in 1/2 hour.

Everton and Liverpool need rapid-transit to ensure success. It is easy to do as mothballed lines await like the Outer Loop.

This opportunity to project the clubs and the city must not be missed. There is too much to lose by not doing so. They have to work together to get the lines active, which also serve the city and create economic growth.

Fast rail is the prime point in site selection for Everton FC and Liverpool FC.

Finch Farm

A good stadium site would be in the fields on the other side of Finch Farm, EFC's training ground, between Finch Farm and the A5300 junction which runs onto the M57 and the M62. The Liverpool-Manchester (Warrington, Widnes, etc) line is adjacent and a high throughput station can be built witha Merseyrail line run in. South Parkway is just a few stops back down the line. If the mothballed outer Loop Line (West Derby, Childwall, Aintree, Walton) is recommissioned access is superb. The line can continue to Hale village and the airport, killing many birds with one stone.

ignore the circle. The large pink square is ideal for a stadium. The smaller pink square is EFC's training ground.

The Finch Farm site is good indeed.

• The Outer Loop line is mothballed, complete with bridges. It runs though Gateacre, Childwall, West Derby, etc, and right onto Halewood.
• The airport needs a rail station. The line will run past Finch Farm. EFC, Peel, and other public agencies can all contribute.
• Tons of space to expand and for car parks, which can be used by Liverpool FC in park and ride to their stadium, which ideally will be on the recommissioned Outer Loop Line, in light blue.

It all falls into place.

This would be just outside the city boundary, as is Finch Farm, but ideal. Who cares if the club is just inside or outside the city limits. Most don't care I hoot.I do not.

One big EFC complex with great rapid-transit transport links.
Guarantee success of both club's [Everton and Liverpool]

1. Preferably recommission the mothballed Outer Loop line (or have the Canada Dock Branch use passengers as well as freight)
2. Put EFC & LFC stadia on the same line to make it viable.
3. Each club have a high throughput rapid-transit station shifting 30-40,000 per hour

There are a number of suitable stadia sites on the lines(s). The club's are guaranteed success using the same park & ride. The community gets many districts onto the Merseyrail rapid-transit metro. All win. No great expense, just recommissioning a mothballed rail line and putting two footy clubs on the line. Economic growth assured.

It is not difficult or a way out idea. All it needs is joined up thinking.

Melbourne in Australia

It's a similar story in Melbourne Australia - the city's sports stadia (MCG, AAMI Stadium, Rod Laver Arena, HiSense Arena, Olympic Park, Etihad Stadium) are all well serviced with the "City Loop" rail line, which as it's name suggests, circles the city stopping at all key points.

International rugby league games, say Australia v New Zealand at AAMI Park, 30,000 supporters attend. At the same time, an Aussie Rules game is played at the MCG, a stone's throw from AAMI Park, another 30,000-plus crowd. Arrival and dispersal to and from the ground is a breeze, with a minimum of fuss, trains leaving every couple of minutes to all points of the compass.

If Liverpool FC and Everton FC both relocate to locations on the mothballed Outer Loop Line the line would clearly be viable. A projected 4 million trips per year for football alone is achievable. The line would serve:

1. Everton FC.
2. Liverpool FC.
3. The Communities the line runs through 365 days a year.
4. Summer pop concerts at the stadia.
5. Wider Merseyside and beyond

There are three potential stadia sites on the line at: Long Lane, Walton Hall Park and Green Lane/Prescot Road. Any park & Ride stations can serve both football clubs and the wider city.

The 4 million minimum trips per year must make this viable. Football traffic alone may pay for the line.

Any contribution the clubs should make can be deferred when it is clear the line is a success and the clubs attendances are up because of it. On the back of two football clubs the people of Liverpool and Merseyside benefit with a high speed addition to a metro. The districts will then benefit financially.

 

[neonleon]

Arsenal's Emirates has six stations, 5 London Underground connections and 3 Southern Rail, all a short walk from the stadium. To the bottom right of the stadium Drayton Park is a Southern Rail station. Three stations are nearly on the stadium. The whole 60,000 can be shifted quite quickly by using rapid-transit rail.

The key to the success of the stadium which is 98% full in all games, is clear to see - rapid-transit rail. People can get to and from with ease. The stadium generates high revenues due to the superior facilities and refreshments: cafes, bars, etc. There is minimal nuisance to the surrounding residents. The Emirates is served by 27 rapid-transit rail platforms within 10 minutes walk. The whole staium can be shifted in 1/2 hour.

Everton and Liverpool need rapid-transit to ensure success. It is easy to do as mothballed lines await like the Outer Loop.

This opportunity to project the clubs and the city must not be missed. There is too much to lose by not doing so. They have to work together to get the lines active, which also serve the city and create economic growth.

Fast rail is the prime point in site selection for Everton FC and Liverpool FC.

Finch Farm

A good stadium site would be in the fields on the other side of Finch Farm, EFC's training ground, between Finch Farm and the A5300 junction which runs onto the M57 and the M62. The Liverpool-Manchester (Warrington, Widnes, etc) line is adjacent and a high throughput station can be built witha Merseyrail line run in. South Parkway is just a few stops back down the line. If the mothballed outer Loop Line (West Derby, Childwall, Aintree, Walton) is recommissioned access is superb. The line can continue to Hale village and the airport, killing many birds with one stone.

ignore the circle. The large pink square is ideal for a stadium. The smaller pink square is EFC's training ground.

The Finch Farm site is good indeed.

• The Outer Loop line is mothballed, complete with bridges. It runs though Gateacre, Childwall, West Derby, etc, and right onto Halewood.
• The airport needs a rail station. The line will run past Finch Farm. EFC, Peel, and other public agencies can all contribute.
• Tons of space to expand and for car parks, which can be used by Liverpool FC in park and ride to their stadium, which ideally will be on the recommissioned Outer Loop Line, in light blue.

It all falls into place.

This would be just outside the city boundary, as is Finch Farm, but ideal. Who cares if the club is just inside or outside the city limits. Most don't care I hoot.I do not.

One big EFC complex with great rapid-transit transport links.
Guarantee success of both club's [Everton and Liverpool]

1. Preferably recommission the mothballed Outer Loop line (or have the Canada Dock Branch use passengers as well as freight)
2. Put EFC & LFC stadia on the same line to make it viable.
3. Each club have a high throughput rapid-transit station shifting 30-40,000 per hour

There are a number of suitable stadia sites on the lines(s). The club's are guaranteed success using the same park & ride. The community gets many districts onto the Merseyrail rapid-transit metro. All win. No great expense, just recommissioning a mothballed rail line and putting two footy clubs on the line. Economic growth assured.

It is not difficult or a way out idea. All it needs is joined up thinking.

Melbourne in Australia

It's a similar story in Melbourne Australia - the city's sports stadia (MCG, AAMI Stadium, Rod Laver Arena, HiSense Arena, Olympic Park, Etihad Stadium) are all well serviced with the "City Loop" rail line, which as it's name suggests, circles the city stopping at all key points.

International rugby league games, say Australia v New Zealand at AAMI Park, 30,000 supporters attend. At the same time, an Aussie Rules game is played at the MCG, a stone's throw from AAMI Park, another 30,000-plus crowd. Arrival and dispersal to and from the ground is a breeze, with a minimum of fuss, trains leaving every couple of minutes to all points of the compass.

If Liverpool FC and Everton FC both relocate to locations on the mothballed Outer Loop Line the line would clearly be viable. A projected 4 million trips per year for football alone is achievable. The line would serve:

1. Everton FC.
2. Liverpool FC.
3. The Communities the line runs through 365 days a year.
4. Summer pop concerts at the stadia.
5. Wider Merseyside and beyond

There are three potential stadia sites on the line at: Long Lane, Walton Hall Park and Green Lane/Prescot Road. Any park & Ride stations can serve both football clubs and the wider city.

The 4 million minimum trips per year must make this viable. Football traffic alone may pay for the line.

Any contribution the clubs should make can be deferred when it is clear the line is a success and the clubs attendances are up because of it. On the back of two football clubs the people of Liverpool and Merseyside benefit with a high speed addition to a metro. The districts will then benefit financially.

Has anyone got a credit card we can put this on?

 

[Inner-city]

To be honest I've avoided this thread like the plague.

To be fair, you're dedicated and must know what your talking about. What you've got to appreciate is there's only so much philosophical train talk a football forum can take.

Again... It is not about trains. It is about how EFC can be a top club again. And the city benefit along the way. Get the points I have been clearly oputting across.

Read the link. It is clear enough. How Arsenal succeeded and their formula.

 

[chicoazul]

I think he just keeps on re posting it, again and again and again.

Notice how he didn't address my questions.

 

[Muggins]

This is borderline spamming.

Don't make me shout.

 

[neonleon]

Again... It is not about trains. It is about how EFC can be a top club again. And the city benefit along the way. Get the points I have been clearly oputting across.

Read the link. It is clear enough. How Arsenal succeeded and their formula.

You seem to be putting the chicken before the egg.

Obviously if we have a new stadium we are going to need adequate transport links. But simply putting adequate transport links does not necessarily generate more demand to see a football club. It just makes it easier for fans. Arsenal is not a fair comparison. For one thing it was already near to a huge transport infrastructure that was fairly incidental to Arsenal itself.

The buses are all full round there (I don't live that far) when they kick out, the traffic slows to a snails pace etc. You have to remember that Arsenal are very popular here in London. There's a market of 12 million potential fans; and there's also more people travelling to the capital to see them.

In Liverpool we have far fewer people and whilst a new transport system to a new stadium would be welcome, we've got to think about the new stadium first and how we can finance it. We don't have the money for that, so that's probably our big concern.

 

[chicoazul]

I think you killed him off there neon lid.

 

[neonleon]

I think you killed him off there neon lid.

I know. I didn't mean to. I quite like him. He's focused.

 

[Muggins]

He has fighting spirit, but not sure what he's fighting for?

he's currently reposting on Kipper and NSNO...

 

[chicoazul]

He has fighting spirit, but not sure what he's fighting for?

he's currently reposting on Kipper and NSNO...

I am 92% convinced he is not an Everton fan.

 

[neonleon]

I am 92% convinced he is not an Everton fan.

I reckon he likes trains.

Freud would have a field day.

 

[neonleon]

Arsenal's Emirates has six stations, 5 London Underground connections and 3 Southern Rail, all a short walk from the stadium. To the bottom right of the stadium Drayton Park is a Southern Rail station. Three stations are nearly on the stadium. The whole 60,000 can be shifted quite quickly by using rapid-transit rail.

The key to the success of the stadium which is 98% full in all games, is clear to see - rapid-transit rail. People can get to and from with ease. The stadium generates high revenues due to the superior facilities and refreshments: cafes, bars, etc. There is minimal nuisance to the surrounding residents. The Emirates is served by 27 rapid-transit rail platforms within 10 minutes walk. The whole staium can be shifted in 1/2 hour.

Everton and Liverpool need rapid-transit to ensure success. It is easy to do as mothballed lines await like the Outer Loop.

This opportunity to project the clubs and the city must not be missed. There is too much to lose by not doing so. They have to work together to get the lines active, which also serve the city and create economic growth.

Fast rail is the prime point in site selection for Everton FC and Liverpool FC.

Finch Farm

A good stadium site would be in the fields on the other side of Finch Farm, EFC's training ground, between Finch Farm and the A5300 junction which runs onto the M57 and the M62. The Liverpool-Manchester (Warrington, Widnes, etc) line is adjacent and a high throughput station can be built witha Merseyrail line run in. South Parkway is just a few stops back down the line. If the mothballed outer Loop Line (West Derby, Childwall, Aintree, Walton) is recommissioned access is superb. The line can continue to Hale village and the airport, killing many birds with one stone.

ignore the circle. The large pink square is ideal for a stadium. The smaller pink square is EFC's training ground.

The Finch Farm site is good indeed.

• The Outer Loop line is mothballed, complete with bridges. It runs though Gateacre, Childwall, West Derby, etc, and right onto Halewood.
• The airport needs a rail station. The line will run past Finch Farm. EFC, Peel, and other public agencies can all contribute.
• Tons of space to expand and for car parks, which can be used by Liverpool FC in park and ride to their stadium, which ideally will be on the recommissioned Outer Loop Line, in light blue.

It all falls into place.

This would be just outside the city boundary, as is Finch Farm, but ideal. Who cares if the club is just inside or outside the city limits. Most don't care I hoot.I do not.

One big EFC complex with great rapid-transit transport links.
Guarantee success of both club's [Everton and Liverpool]

1. Preferably recommission the mothballed Outer Loop line (or have the Canada Dock Branch use passengers as well as freight)
2. Put EFC & LFC stadia on the same line to make it viable.
3. Each club have a high throughput rapid-transit station shifting 30-40,000 per hour

There are a number of suitable stadia sites on the lines(s). The club's are guaranteed success using the same park & ride. The community gets many districts onto the Merseyrail rapid-transit metro. All win. No great expense, just recommissioning a mothballed rail line and putting two footy clubs on the line. Economic growth assured.

It is not difficult or a way out idea. All it needs is joined up thinking.

Melbourne in Australia

It's a similar story in Melbourne Australia - the city's sports stadia (MCG, AAMI Stadium, Rod Laver Arena, HiSense Arena, Olympic Park, Etihad Stadium) are all well serviced with the "City Loop" rail line, which as it's name suggests, circles the city stopping at all key points.

International rugby league games, say Australia v New Zealand at AAMI Park, 30,000 supporters attend. At the same time, an Aussie Rules game is played at the MCG, a stone's throw from AAMI Park, another 30,000-plus crowd. Arrival and dispersal to and from the ground is a breeze, with a minimum of fuss, trains leaving every couple of minutes to all points of the compass.

If Liverpool FC and Everton FC both relocate to locations on the mothballed Outer Loop Line the line would clearly be viable. A projected 4 million trips per year for football alone is achievable. The line would serve:

1. Everton FC.
2. Liverpool FC.
3. The Communities the line runs through 365 days a year.
4. Summer pop concerts at the stadia.
5. Wider Merseyside and beyond

There are three potential stadia sites on the line at: Long Lane, Walton Hall Park and Green Lane/Prescot Road. Any park & Ride stations can serve both football clubs and the wider city.

The 4 million minimum trips per year must make this viable. Football traffic alone may pay for the line.

Any contribution the clubs should make can be deferred when it is clear the line is a success and the clubs attendances are up because of it. On the back of two football clubs the people of Liverpool and Merseyside benefit with a high speed addition to a metro. The districts will then benefit financially.

They are using a lot of mothballed lines and existing train lines in Manchester - and the scheme there for the first extension to the tram system has been estimated at over £500 million. The full manchester big bang extension at 1.2 billion.

Who's gonna pay for that in the current climate?

Its pie in the sky.

 

[Muggins]

Couldn't help notice the canal / river running thru our 'empty' fields.

Given the red tape involved in just putting up a fence these days, I'd say we've had it.