Does Moyes' reign look better with hindsight given the dismal performances of his successors?

[davids]

Undefeated so far this season
New squad
New tactics
Ffs calm down ... think back 6 months

The fixture list at the start of last season was slightly different,those who are voicing concerns might have a case.

 

[Joey66]

I am grateful for what Moyes brought the club. He found some pearls in the transfer market (and some duds, who doesn't) on a pitiful budget.

He was negative and unexciting in the general though, remember Heitinger and Neville in central midfield? His teams did have some moments of sheer class, but they were too far interspersed with hanging on for a 1-0.

Glad he came, glad he left.

Martinez was definitely more exciting and more frustrating in one. Koeman brought solidity at first, then some really poor and half-hearted decisions. BFS just brought embarrassment after embarrassment.

Here's hoping our current regime brings a Silva lining.

DM - was afforded time 17th who would survive not getting the sack now with that position now?
- Then the year after 4th and the losing Rooney - ironical but that was his best season for us positional wise-
West Ham were foolish to let him go or did he want too? DM came when we needed him , and he needed us -imo Gordon Lee was a better brand of football, and also like DM unfortunately was a nearly man........
Its early days for Silva, and if he does very well he will get itchy feet......
DM was too small minded for United - he did okish last season other than that he has flopped elsewhere......

 

[sotnas]

He was given time to build his side. Not really the money. He had to make his business selling and signing. His football wasn't top notch but it was effective. Very solid defence above all things. He rarely had a proper goal scorer and I wonder how he would have done if he had Lukaku.

I'd say his style didn't honour the "scientific" football of older times but he took us a long way, step by step.

Sadly, since his departure, he has endured hard times as well. But I', not sure I'd sign him back at this present moment.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Rio Ferdinand talking about Moyes time at Man-U... Moyes mentality was always about stopping the opposition all the players in the dressing room were looking at each other and thinking hold on we are top players won everything we don't care what the opposition has we go on the front foot to win
he brought his small time Everton mentality with him can't really argue with that

Rio Ferdinand who won 2/3rds of Everton's total league title haul in the 12 years he was at the biggest club in the country and one of the worlds biggest clubs? Ferdinand discussing the merits of Moyes to Man United is understandably different to how Moyes was and should be viewed at Everton.

Moyes was not big enough for that role and that showed in his time there.

How did Moyes bring his small time mentality to EFC when we were languishing around 14th-17th on a regular basis before he arrived and then regularly finished 5th-8th under him?

The only thing I will agree on is that Moyes developed a massive inferiority complex when travelling to the bigger sides away, and there is no defence for him on that. However, Moyes is long gone now and it seems to still exist at the club and therefore it points to a general loser mentality that has engulfed the club since the PL era began. For example, we didn't achieve a single win at Stamford Bridge from 1994 (our last win there) to 2002 when Moyes came in, so clearly this inferiority is evidently not all down to Moyes. The same goes for our record at Arsenal. From 1982 to 2002 we won in 86, 87 when we were a top side, and then a one off in 96.

 

[fandjango]

The fixture list at the start of last season was slightly different,those who are voicing concerns might have a case.

Most said before the season that after Sam they would accept an improvement in playing style over position fir the first year
Short memories

 

[chippy1722]

Moyes will never get the credit he deserved due to the way he left and the way fans look at the game nowadays. No manager since Kendall including the latest ones after Moyes left could get near to what he done with the resources he had. Ironically his buys even funded his replacements transfer windows.

 

[Bluewolf]

Martinez done a job, best prem season, 2 semi finals in 1 year ( very unlucky in both as well )

edit** people forget how much moyes was actually given btw, for all the good stuff he did there were some absolutely horrid times under him, and if say moshiri had been there at the time he wouldn't have lasted that full time that's for sure ( not saying I agree with that btw ) but he was deffo given more time than 99% of managers

Only got that good season with moyes defence. The two seasons after it were terrible. He also cost us the Europa leauge and those two semi's doing stupid stuff like playing alcaraz and atsu, or bringing on kone away at city or letting lukaku take penalties when he was the worst pen taker ever.

Moyes had a sustained period of consistently finishing in the top 7.

 

[Stanley Parker]

Only got that good season with moyes defence.

Not so! Martinez introduced his own style of play, bringing in McCarthy and Barry to play in defence. He relied on the fullbacks - and Coleman in particular - to take the ball forward and cross from the wings, with McCarthy or Barry dropping back to provide cover.

It worked very well his first season. Later, opponents made it difficult by pressing much higher, and Martinez failed to find a way to overcome this.

 

[davids]

Most said before the season that after Sam they would accept an improvement in playing style over position fir the first year
Short memories

I wasn't one of them In modern football it's all about position.The higher you are the more you earn,sadly it's the way the games gone.Playing like Barcelona and losing doesn't keep you in the division or pay the bills.Our shots on goal tally from Saturday tells a story.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Contextual revisionism my friend. You're comparing apples and pears.

Martinez was pre-Mohiri funds, the other two post-Moshiri.

And before you waffle on about David Moyes- he was given ELEVEN YEARS to create what he did. And one of his finishes was 17th!

Yeah - the season Rooney broke through! He was then sold from under him, yet he managed to finish fourth!

 

[mkrudden]

If discussing context, it would only be fair to point out that Moyes took over with the club at fear of being relegated under Walter Smith, and in the previous 2 seasons had finished 16th and 13th. Martinez came in to the club after we had finished 6th and 7th in the 2 seasons before and then sent us considerably backwards after his excellent first season.

Moyes made us considerably better during his time here
Martinez made us considerably worse
Koeman had a reasonable first season then undid it all.
Allardyce wasn't here long enough to bother assessing him but in terms of league position took us up the league, albeit with dire football and the jury would have been out on him this season.

Since Joe Royle, Moyes is the only one who has been a good manager here.

Yeah - the season Rooney broke through! He was then sold from under him, yet he managed to finish fourth!

I think you're misinterpreting what my original point was chaps / ladies:

Genuinely cannot believe people are comparing Martinez's reign to Koeman and Allardyce's

i liked Moyes. Was gutted when he left. I preferred the togger under Martinez.

You cannot though compare the reigns of Martinez and Koeman / Allardyce. RM attempted to play good football under a shoe string net spend budget. Koeman and Allardyce were given hefty spends and couldn't even get us creating chances.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Not so! Martinez introduced his own style of play, bringing in McCarthy and Barry to play in defence. He relied on the fullbacks - and Coleman in particular - to take the ball forward and cross from the wings, with McCarthy or Barry dropping back to provide cover.

It worked very well his first season. Later, opponents made it difficult by pressing much higher, and Martinez failed to find a way to overcome this.

Funny how no one worked out a similar simple tactic to counter Moyes in 11 years - maybe he is better tactically than some give him credit for? I remember we crushed Mancini’s Man City after losing the FA Cup semi to Wigan. Fair enough we lost the semi, but he was always able to muster a response to poor results.

And just because Wigan fluked a very jammy win in that final, it does not mean we would have done the same. City had chance after chance in that final and failed to put any away, while Wigan scored a real rarity - a Martinez set piece goal!

Also Mancini was sacked before the final - hardly an ideal preparation.

 

[evertonarntwe]

Only got that good season with moyes defence. The two seasons after it were terrible. He also cost us the Europa leauge and those two semi's doing stupid stuff like playing alcaraz and atsu, or bringing on kone away at city or letting lukaku take penalties when he was the worst pen taker ever.

Moyes had a sustained period of consistently finishing in the top 7.

with all due respect mate, Martinez first season wasn't about a solid base/defence it was about how good we were going forward, it was about Martinez not being scared like moyes to go and attack the "sky 4" at there own grounds, it was about fluid fast counter attacking football

second season onwards went downhill to be fair, but he didn't cost us anything in the Europa league, stones was injured so alaraz played, if stones isn't injured maybe he don't go out, even against shaktar were we got battered im sure we hit the post about 3 times and they scored 2 worldies that 99 times out of 100 don't go in, it was just one of them, moyes negativity away from home cost us a few times in Europe as well ( fiorentina rings a bell, sporting pasted us )

the two semis again were harsh, especially against city, the goal they scored to level the tie shouldn't have counted, it went out for a goal kick before someone crossed it to score, the assistants do there job maybe we hold out that game?

 

[fandjango]

I wasn't one of them In modern football it's all about position.The higher you are the more you earn,sadly it's the way the games gone.Playing like Barcelona and losing doesn't keep you in the division or pay the bills.Our shots on goal tally from Saturday tells a story.

Then ypure going to be dissapointed

 

[davids]

Then you're going to be disappointed

I've no doubt I am.