Usmanov

[catcherintherye]

Far too kind on him mate, the world is full of people who everyone says where nice guys who are proven to be anything from chancers, bullshtters to ones just trying to get something out of what they say.

Esk would have made a great politician btw, he speaks constantly with conviction, if ires any counter argument with the attitude of "I know better", and when he gets found out and show up he simply just moved the goalposts without any hint of shame.

Over the years there's been some right nobs on here, fir my mind esk is one of the first as he was a mod when he did it, when he got shown up he ran away to start up a pod with his new found quasi celebrity status and ingratiated himself with various pond life of the Everton twitterverse like Dave downie etc


Utter chancer who because he was a mod, and knew business jargon thought he was something.

It'd actually be incredibly hard to actually deliberately get as much wrong as that bloke has over the past two years.

I suppose I just don't see it that way Steve. Maybe there was an ulterior motive but I can't see what that would be. He probably overshared information. As a fan base I think we place too much appreciation on ITK's anyway but maybe we are a bit critical of people who pass on information that turns out not true.

It could have all been a ploy, it's not my interpretation though. I think on here it had got to a point where it was a bit untenable allround. Maybe he had an exit plan, but do people really get that much out of making a podcast? I don't see it.

Why do you think he was passing on wrong information if thats what he was doing? I can't see any sense in doing that?

 

[catcherintherye]

The FBI s remit and power does not come close to being able to so called take down one of the richest me in the world, the second richest in Britain. One who is either owner or a significant power in multiple massive russian and global companies including social media, internet, press and telecoms mate, throw in he's probably one of the most connected and protected people close to Putin. Not a chance in hell

I think the FBI's remit could fall within that, but I don't believe it has any material affect on his ability to invest in a football club. The one concern I have is if Boris Johnson got in and started playing up Russophobia again and was looking for an easy target. I think this is potentially why Moshiri remains the figurehead.

He currently resides in Switzerland (I believe) and it's by no means certain even under Johnson it would prevent him investing and ultimately benefiting from the projects around EFC and Liverpool Docks. This might sound extreme but Usmanov would have more people able to influence a PM than the other way around.

 

[catcherintherye]

top post @catcherintherye, but you're making me fairly excited now. I need to keep my feet on the ground.

Thanks mate, I think we have to be patient. I am also not sure it will be revolutionary change if he comes. Likely more of what we have done but gradually increasing the scale.

 

[Brisan123]

Any talk of Usmanov intending to invest in another club - or, certainly, a foreign club - does not stack up for me. He says he would be 'interested' in Everton if it brought with it a return on his investment. I am far from being business savvy but in my humble and very simple opinion these are some of the pro's and cons for AU to consider:

Cons:

- Everton are a 'work in progress' which still needs capital investment. What other major club - home or abroad - currently find themselves in that position?
- the financial mechanism for a new stadium is still only 'tentatively' in place
- we haven't had a decent run in Europe for many years hence income stream from that source esp. Champions League is not currently available
- we are working off limited gate receipt income although, admittedly, nowadays that probably counts for very little in comparison to all the other TV rights and sponsorship deals
- our 'worldwide' audience is paltry compared to the current Big 5/6 (and this excludes the top European clubs)
Ergo - we are not the most desirable beau at the party

Pro's:

- Everton are a 'work in progress' but with major capital investment the structure is already in place to take us to the next level and beyond
- the financial mechanism for a new stadium is still only 'tentatively' in place but with appropriate capital investment and Usmanov's clout this should become a simple push through
- European runs will become something of the norm once we can get our act together on the playing side and with added financial input to help us achieve this
- injected capital both on and off the pitch allied to more European exposure and domestic success will expose us to greater worldwide audiences and capture the next generations of football fans looking for a team to choose...or choose them
- even a new stadium with increased capacity will bear little fruit as regards revenue stream but one built in an iconic setting and with success on the pitch the club's profile will increase exponentially opening up avenues for greater sponsorship and merchandising
- the North Docks investment, in general, and this is not confined solely to the creation of a new stadium is an opportunity for AU to make considerable gains on his initial input and something which must always have been at the back of his and Moshiri's minds
- we also have a world renowned EITC initiative which others try to emulate but come nowhere near. Just thought I would add this as it reiterates the community feel of the club and something which outside investors like to see - especially in these socio-economic times - because it provides a reassurance that the club is run by and within a diligent and prudent organisation and one which emphasises longevity as its core principle
Ergo - the ugly ducking suddenly begins blooming into a beautiful swan and becomes very desirable

Just my thoughts.

On the ETIC point
Usmanov is well renowned as a philanthropist and has given large amounts to sporting organisations esp fencing

 

[bluestevon]

I suppose I just don't see it that way Steve. Maybe there was an ulterior motive but I can't see what that would be. He probably overshared information. As a fan base I think we place too much appreciation on ITK's anyway but maybe we are a bit critical of people who pass on information that turns out not true.

It could have all been a ploy, it's not my interpretation though. I think on here it had got to a point where it was a bit untenable allround. Maybe he had an exit plan, but do people really get that much out of making a podcast? I don't see it.

Why do you think he was passing on wrong information if thats what he was doing? I can't see any sense in doing that?

People don't just do things for financial gain mate, notoriety and quasi fame can be enough for some.

Since his remarkable summer of being itk, just answer the following, has he hawked himself out like a cheap whore as a apparent voice of evertonians?

Has his own podcsst now, which I'm assuming he was planning for a whilst as you don't knock one up overnight. Has his own website, had articles in the local red rag, appeared on podcasts such as futbolgrad - when he frankly got shown up by someone with an in depth knowledge of the way Russians ownership of teams operates

Can guarantee he's tried and been knocked back on a lot more self publicity angles as well.

 

[Brisan123]

That was always my opinion from day one

Now you have said it and with your track record I’m having major doubts lol

That's about the least of my moral quibbles in this whole affair.

It's up to Liverpool council and its businesses and people to try and make as much of the opportunity that redeveloping the dock area and that side of town. I for one hope that the 7 million payments are a drop in the ocean to the financial benefit the city obtains.

the rates and council taxes that will be paid will far exceed the 7 m

 

[Baldynut]

Current Everton shareholders.....

Blue Heaven Holdings Limited* 17,465 49.90% (Moshiri)
W Kenwright CBE (Chairman) 4,256 12.16%
J V Woods 3,116 8.90%
Other Shareholders 10,163 29.04%
Total 35,000 100%

Thank god someone actually knows Everton’s shareholders
Can’t believe our own fans are so ill educated as to who owns what

 

[Bob Elstone]

Esk has been very consistent from day 1, consistently wrong.

 

[Zatara]

Any talk of Usmanov intending to invest in another club - or, certainly, a foreign club - does not stack up for me. He says he would be 'interested' in Everton if it brought with it a return on his investment. I am far from being business savvy but in my humble and very simple opinion these are some of the pro's and cons for AU to consider:

Cons:

- Everton are a 'work in progress' which still needs capital investment. What other major club - home or abroad - currently find themselves in that position?
- the financial mechanism for a new stadium is still only 'tentatively' in place
- we haven't had a decent run in Europe for many years hence income stream from that source esp. Champions League is not currently available
- we are working off limited gate receipt income although, admittedly, nowadays that probably counts for very little in comparison to all the other TV rights and sponsorship deals
- our 'worldwide' audience is paltry compared to the current Big 5/6 (and this excludes the top European clubs)
Ergo - we are not the most desirable beau at the party

Pro's:

- Everton are a 'work in progress' but with major capital investment the structure is already in place to take us to the next level and beyond
- the financial mechanism for a new stadium is still only 'tentatively' in place but with appropriate capital investment and Usmanov's clout this should become a simple push through
- European runs will become something of the norm once we can get our act together on the playing side and with added financial input to help us achieve this
- injected capital both on and off the pitch allied to more European exposure and domestic success will expose us to greater worldwide audiences and capture the next generations of football fans looking for a team to choose...or choose them
- even a new stadium with increased capacity will bear little fruit as regards revenue stream but one built in an iconic setting and with success on the pitch the club's profile will increase exponentially opening up avenues for greater sponsorship and merchandising
- the North Docks investment, in general, and this is not confined solely to the creation of a new stadium is an opportunity for AU to make considerable gains on his initial input and something which must always have been at the back of his and Moshiri's minds
- we also have a world renowned EITC initiative which others try to emulate but come nowhere near. Just thought I would add this as it reiterates the community feel of the club and something which outside investors like to see - especially in these socio-economic times - because it provides a reassurance that the club is run by and within a diligent and prudent organisation and one which emphasises longevity as its core principle
Ergo - the ugly ducking suddenly begins blooming into a beautiful swan and becomes very desirable

Just my thoughts.

Youve got the quote wrong...

1-- Happy to help Moshiri

2-- Would invest in a EUROPEAN club for a good ROI

Two separate questions and quotes

His ties to Putin will be a problem for him mate, especially with the regime we have in charge. That will likely increase if that buffoon Johnson gets in who is Russophobic and has and will continue to pick ridiculous fights with Putin. That is a worry I have over this. Hopefully Corbyn wins.

Thats pure insanity...

 

[catcherintherye]

Youve got the quote wrong...





Thats pure insanity...

In what way mate?

 

[bluestevon]

I suppose I just don't see it that way Steve. Maybe there was an ulterior motive but I can't see what that would be. He probably overshared information. As a fan base I think we place too much appreciation on ITK's anyway but maybe we are a bit critical of people who pass on information that turns out not true.

It could have all been a ploy, it's not my interpretation though. I think on here it had got to a point where it was a bit untenable allround. Maybe he had an exit plan, but do people really get that much out of making a podcast? I don't see it.

Why do you think he was passing on wrong information if thats what he was doing? I can't see any sense in doing that?

Need any further proof mate, the latest kirkbride article in the echo contains a quote from esk today - again set himself up as a 'expert' in the matter.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Tbh, I don't mind whether he joins up or not, I just want Kenwright and Woods gone, I can't believe they are still here.

 

[catcherintherye]

Need any further proof mate, the latest kirkbride article in the echo contains a quote from esk today - again set himself up as a 'expert' in the matter.

I can't disagree with most of what you put mate. I think he wants to help and feels he has a worthwhile opinion to give. Maybe that led to him being creative with the truth but I think it's not as sinister as that.

As you say he writes well and speaks eloquently. I agree with some of what he puts but not other bits. He seems to have a bit of a blind spot for Usmanov, if there was anything perhaps underhand I think it would be around this, as opposed to calling transfers wrong.

I actually enjoy the podcast he does, you should go on the GOT one and embrace your inner celebrity ha ha!

 

[Brisan123]

Just a point here.

Nobody had a clue we were signing Bernard, Gomes or Zouma right until the last minute.

Why does anybody actually think that anybody on the outside would have any insight into something as huge as this?

Keeps people talking though I suppose.

As I and others have said before billionaires didn’t make their money by telling all and sundry their plans.
They also learn from their mistakes and never repeat them ( Moshiri with White )

 

[Zatara]

In what way mate?

Just look at the Corbyn news over the past few days...and weeks...and in general.

Should be sent to the gulag