Were we ever this bad....

[davek]

They would have paid 25/30 m which is a high multiple of what we paid

No chance.

 

[SteStocksDJ]

Has the question in this Poll been changed?

Because I voted NO in answer to the question posed in the title.

About “were we ever this bad”.


And gave reasons why I feel this is the most depressing period in Everton history during my lifetime.

And potentially the most dangerous.

But now I see it is asking if, given what is going on now, would we have Bobby back.

That would be a big YES from me.

I would take Bobby before Sam all day long innit.

What is the proper question, @SteStocksDJ

If we would have bobby back....allowing him to spend the money Koeman effectively spent this year.

 

[Stanley Parker]

Facts don’t suit the agenda.
Bobby got lucky taking over a decent team with a solid defence
He got lucky Lukaku settled straight away although his record at WBA proved he could score goals at PL level.
Barry and MvCarthy gelled before McCarthy became glass and Barkley started to come into his own

And I suppose he was lucky to beat Everton on the way to winning the cup with Wigan.

However, he did not rely on Moyes' defensive plan. He used the fullbacks - and Coleman in particular - to attack down the wings. He signed Barry and McCarthy, and one of them would drop into the back four when a fullback went forward. He also signed a good young centre forward - who increased dramatically in value.

It worked well in Martinez' first season. In his second season, opponents countered it by pressing the defence, and Martinez proved unable to develop it further.

 

[Khalekan]

If we would have bobby back....allowing him to spend the money Koeman effectively spent this year.

Bobby needed fired by the end but I would rather he had stayed and was given financial backing rather than endure the two buggers we have had this past twenty months.

We have never been this bad.

Not so much on account of what is happening on the pitch.....Lord knows we have had worse teams than this current one, albeit never as gutless as this lot.

But the whole aura surrounding the club at the moment is one of unprecedented and unremitting gloom IMO.

 

[dannyboy]

Bobby needed fired by the end but I would rather he had stayed and was given financial backing rather than endure the two buggers we have had this past twenty months.

We have never been this bad.

Not so much on account of what is happening on the pitch.....Lord knows we have had worse teams than this current one, albeit never as gutless as this lot.

But the whole aura surrounding the club at the moment is one of unprecedented and unremitting gloom IMO.

I don't know, the second half of his last season was as grim as it gets and he had better players than we do now.

 

[kenada_blue]

Bad? No.

Mediocre? Yes.

Inflated by ridiculous recruitment? Absolutely.

We're the 3rd highest spenders just to keep up with Leicester, Stoke, Burnley etc rather than challenge the 6 big teams.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

This should be burned with fire.

*shudders*

 

[Khalekan]

I don't know, the second half of his last season was as grim as it gets and he had better players than we do now.

Yes, I am sort of lumping the last twenty months or so all together, Dan.

I mean, even the period from the middle of September through December 2016 was dreadful as well.

Since the investment came in, basically.....we thought that was going to trigger a great revival but instead we have watched the club regress to a point where yer actual Sam Allerdyce is lording it over us, serving up absolute tosh on the pitch and trolling the fans off it.

For years we clung to a shibboleth that significant investment was all that we needed to enable us to kick on but that crutch has been knocked from under us this past eighteen months and it is causing a major crisis of confidence in the minds of Evertonians everywhere.

Certainly I have never felt as bereft of hope about our club’s prospects as I do right now

 

[Toffeelover]

Were we ever this bad, not in my memory and my first game was back in'61.

 

[Brendan Janus]

Were we ever this bad, not in my memory and my first game was back in'61.

93/94 team was putred, 97/98 & 2/3rds of 98/99 was also dog shoite !

 

[BlueStevie35]

Why do people start threads on Martinez knowing what it does to @davek? It's like giving candy to a baby ffs (not a knock on Dave BTW, we all have a past manager we dote on)

 

[davek]

Why do people start threads on Martinez knowing what it does to @davek? It's like giving candy to a baby ffs (not a knock on Dave BTW, we all have a past manager we dote on)

It's like falling off a log: how on earth can anyone not successfully defend a manager who gave us our best PL season - one that will probably stand as a record for another 10 years?

I have no idea how his detractors think they can avoid that fundamental truth. It's like they think if they say he was rubbish enough times it'll be accepted.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Facts don’t suit the agenda.
Bobby got lucky taking over a decent team with a solid defence
He got lucky Lukaku settled straight away although his record at WBA proved he could score goals at PL level.
Barry and MvCarthy gelled before McCarthy became glass and Barkley started to come into his own

He didn't get lucky with Lukaku. That was arguably one of the best things about Martinez' time here and was a top signing. If only he could have managed us as well as he did in the first season and not neglected the need to have the team defend to an acceptable standard things could be very different now. Because if he had managed that, signing a player like Lukaku could have taken us to the next level. Sadly, in typical Everton fashion, we wasted the chance to push on with him and have lost him to a side that we need to be trying to get above in the next few years if we're to progress.

 

[TraffordBlue]

It's like falling off a log: how on earth can anyone not successfully defend a manager who gave us our best PL season - one that will probably stand as a record for another 10 years?

I have no idea how his detractors think they can avoid that fundamental truth. It's like they think if they say he was rubbish enough times it'll be accepted.

Which is the best season?

4th, 5th Round of the FA Cup, 4th Round of the League Cup, no Europe

5th, Quarter Final of the FA Cup, 3rd Round of the League Cup, no Europe.

5th, FA Cup Finalist, 3rd Round of the League Cup, 1st Round in the UEFA Cup

5th, 3rd Round of the FA Cup, Semi Final of the League Cup, Last 16 in the UEFA Cup

 

[lancs blue]

Martinez left a dark shadow over the place. One which hasn't been lifted.