Holgate Racially Abused By Firmino - The Guardian

jolteon101 · January 19, 2018

Now 2 weeks since the incident took place with no official statement.

f.t.r.s · January 19, 2018

lets be honest we know how the rs wil react if he does get a ban, theyll tell anyone and everyone that it's the fa screwing them to stop them challenging city...

hirons11 · January 19, 2018

Bluelladevil said:
Does anyone really believe only one camera was recording this incident so that the only footage has Firmino's face obscured by Kenny? It is inconceivable that no other camera caught what he said at the point when Holgate reacted. Smacks of a cover up LFC's friends in the media.

I'm pretty sure you a right about there being lots more camera angles available. Still too early to say whether these have been conveniently "lost" by the BBC. Would they have been leaked by now if it was an English teams player on the receiving end of alleged racist abuse from an Eastern European team in say the Champions League :dodgy:

Harryflashman · January 19, 2018

hirons11 said:
I'm pretty sure you a right about there being lots more camera angles available. Still too early to say whether these have been conveniently "lost" by the BBC. Would they have been leaked by now if it was an English teams player on the receiving end of alleged racist abuse from an Eastern European team in say the Champions League

Do you not think that first part reads a little conspiracy theory ish ? Are you suggesting the bbc are going to delete footage of a football match where an allegation of racism has been made to protect a football club or player ? Honestly do you think that or is it a throw away comment ?

On the whole debate I’d say without footage sadly the odds are against holgate but again what everyone involved has actually heard and had to say to authorities is going to be crucial. As I’ve said from the start though I feel for holgate whatever the result because I don’t see any way those despicable rats don’t persecute him for his entire careee now .

hirons11 · January 19, 2018

Harryflashman said:
Do you not think that first part reads a little conspiracy theory ish ? Are you suggesting the bbc are going to delete footage of a football match where an allegation of racism has been made to protect a football club or player ? Honestly do you think that or is it a throw away comment ?

On the whole debate I’d say without footage sadly the odds are against holgate but again what everyone involved has actually heard and had to say to authorities is going to be crucial. As I’ve said from the start though I feel for holgate whatever the result because I don’t see any way those despicable rats don’t persecute him for his entire careee now .

More of a throw away comment - think the majority of us get a little "conspiracy theory-ish though when it involves the RS.

I do stand by my comment though that more angles would be more likely to have been released by now if involved a top six "asset" player against a foreign team and coverage was provided by Sky/BT.

mightymoyes · January 19, 2018

f.t.r.s said:
lets be honest we know how the rs wil react if he does get a ban, theyll tell anyone and everyone that it's the fa screwing them to stop them challenging city...

they're 15 points behind them

f.t.r.s · January 19, 2018

mightymoyes said:
they're 15 points behind them

Since when has logic entered the mind of a kopite? They still think they would have won the away game if mane didn't get sent off

Harryflashman · January 19, 2018

hirons11 said:
More of a throw away comment - think the majority of us get a little "conspiracy theory-ish though when it involves the RS.

I do stand by my comment though that more angles would be more likely to have been released by now if involved a top six "asset" player against a foreign team and coverage was provided by Sky/BT.

No argument with that

davek · January 19, 2018

2 weeks without comment. Suggests to me that lawyers are involved.

PITA · January 19, 2018

Harryflashman said:
Do you not think that first part reads a little conspiracy theory ish ? Are you suggesting the bbc are going to delete footage of a football match where an allegation of racism has been made to protect a football club or player ? Honestly do you think that or is it a throw away comment ?

On the whole debate I’d say without footage sadly the odds are against holgate but again what everyone involved has actually heard and had to say to authorities is going to be crucial. As I’ve said from the start though I feel for holgate whatever the result because I don’t see any way those despicable rats don’t persecute him for his entire careee now .

Given that the BBC protected lots of entertainers then it wouldn’t surprise me what they did.

Harryflashman · January 19, 2018

PITA said:
Given that the BBC protected lots of entertainers then it wouldn’t surprise me what they did.

Seriously ? You’re suggesting that the bbc are protecting lfc in 2018 by deleting footage and comparing that to the protection of high profile entertainers and sexual abuse predominantly in the 60’s ,70’s and 80’s ?

No offence mate , and I mean that , but That sounds like something we’d quote and laugh at on rawk.

Toffeelover · January 19, 2018

davek said:
2 weeks without comment. Suggests to me that lawyers are involved.

Deffo seems fishy Dave, the FA usually lob out bans within a couple of day, remember Niasse, okay not as serious but!

royalblue66 · January 19, 2018

Harryflashman said:
Seriously ? You’re suggesting that the bbc are protecting lfc in 2018 by deleting footage and comparing that to the protection of high profile entertainers and sexual abuse predominantly in the 60’s ,70’s and 80’s ?

No offence mate , and I mean that , but That sounds like something we’d quote and laugh at on rawk.

Notice they didn't show the footage of Flannigan kicking seven kinds out of his GF, nothing would surprise me,where they are concerned.

davek · January 19, 2018

Toffeelover said:
Deffo seems fishy Dave, the FA usually lob out bans within a couple of day, remember Niasse, okay not as serious but!

The FA must be tortuously trying to come up with some compromise that involves Firmino being cautioned but with no ban attached. It'll be interesting to see what they say. There's absolutely NO question in my mind that both Holgate and Kenny - who were two foot away from Firmino and who acted independently of each other - saw and heard racial abuse from Firmino.

Harryflashman · January 19, 2018

royalblue66 said:
Notice they didn't show the footage of Flannigan kicking seven kinds out of his GF, nothing would surprise me,where they are concerned.

Has anybody shown it ? Unless the footage is released nobody can that’s the issue , I honestly don’t know but my guess is it isn’t out there . Most footage gets out because one side releases it , in this case because him and his missus are reconciled that means it’s have to come from the crown .

Honestly trust me I hate them , I hate biased media reporting and fawning all over them and I hate commentators ignoring or mocking us and bigging them up . I can’t stand the way the media lauded them over Brewster ignoring Suárez and now this is almost going under the radar . I’m just trying to keep it all reasoned is all Mate .