A Change in Strategy?

[neonleon]

Moyes has always emphasised a small tightly knit squad, focused on key players. This way his transfer money has gone further and become concentrated in the first team rather than throughout the squad. This approach generally has paid dividends, until last year when a host of injuries to our core players devastated our league position. It seems Moyes has decided to spread his wings this off season investing in cheap bargains of young players and free players - joao, beckford, mucha, gueye. This has left us with a squad that in Moyesie terms is practically bloated. some 30 odd players (although no doubt a few will go on loan or perhaps be sold).

Still no word on any marquee signings, although it's doubtful we'll have the money for the hatem ben afra's of the world unless we end up selling.

Does anyone think this represents a change in philosophy or is Moyes simply planning for the future and are the majority of these players reserve, backup or youth players anyways?

 

[Neiler]

Moyes has always emphasised a small tightly knit squad, focused on key players. This way his transfer money has gone further and become concentrated in the first team rather than throughout the squad. This approach generally has paid dividends, until last year when a host of injuries to our core players devastated our league position. It seems Moyes has decided to spread his wings this off season investing in cheap bargains of young players and free players - joao, beckford, mucha, gueye. This has left us with a squad that in Moyesie terms is practically bloated. some 30 odd players (although no doubt a few will go on loan or perhaps be sold).

Still no word on any marquee signings, although it's doubtful we'll have the money for the hatem ben afra's of the world unless we end up selling.

Does anyone think this represents a change in philosophy or is Moyes simply planning for the future and are the majority of these players reserve, backup or youth players anyways?

I think hes planing for the transition of the the current team, to a younger one and blooding potential replacements now at the same time padding the squad out.

 

[neonleon]

I think hes planing for the transition of the the current team, to a younger one and blooding potential replacements now at the same time padding the squad out.

Given his track record of bringing young players along from lower leagues and out of nowhere, all these new signings make the mouth water. I think I agree with you on the potential replacements. You look at key players - cahill, neville, saha etc. They aren't getting any younger are they?

 

[Cena]

He seems to be continously building for the future whilst retaining a core team of talent. But what doesn't frighten me is that your Cahill's, Neville's and Saha's all have suitable replacements. We're not like United who seem stuffed after Giggs, Scholes & co retire. For Cahill we have potentially Billy, Gueye, Rodwell etc, Neville we have Coleman to replace and Saha we have Silva. They might be cheap, but developed under Moyes could be very useful.

I think this coming season is a big season, i feel we need to win something to satisfy our big players, but i am not worried about our future, i think we are going to be a real force because Moyes is building an Everton dynasty, mixing youth and experience. Even our 1st team has an average age of 26 i think.

How great it is having young hungry players compared to the Smith days of Linderoth, Alexandersson, Ginola, Gascoigne, Campbell, Ferguson, Cleland

*shudders

 

[neonleon]

He seems to be continously building for the future whilst retaining a core team of talent. But what doesn't frighten me is that your Cahill's, Neville's and Saha's all have suitable replacements. We're not like United who seem stuffed after Giggs, Scholes & co retire. For Cahill we have potentially Billy, Gueye, Rodwell etc, Neville we have Coleman to replace and Saha we have Silva. They might be cheap, but developed under Moyes could be very useful.

I think this coming season is a big season, i feel we need to win something to satisfy our big players, but i am not worried about our future, i think we are going to be a real force because Moyes is building an Everton dynasty, mixing youth and experience. Even our 1st team has an average age of 26 i think.

How great it is having young hungry players compared to the Smith days of Linderoth, Alexandersson, Ginola, Gascoigne, Campbell, Ferguson, Cleland

*shudders

the horror the horror

 

[Matt Damon]

Moyes has always emphasised a small tightly knit squad, focused on key players. This way his transfer money has gone further and become concentrated in the first team rather than throughout the squad. This approach generally has paid dividends, until last year when a host of injuries to our core players devastated our league position. It seems Moyes has decided to spread his wings this off season investing in cheap bargains of young players and free players - joao, beckford, mucha, gueye. This has left us with a squad that in Moyesie terms is practically bloated. some 30 odd players (although no doubt a few will go on loan or perhaps be sold).

Still no word on any marquee signings, although it's doubtful we'll have the money for the hatem ben afra's of the world unless we end up selling.

Does anyone think this represents a change in philosophy or is Moyes simply planning for the future and are the majority of these players reserve, backup or youth players anyways?

He's buying them young and cheap in light of the transfer regulations, the new Premier League rules and because it suits us to do that.

Its doing this that really tests a managers skills.

I'm loving the fact all of them are U21 internationals and all of them have potentially great futures with us if they put the effort in.

I wouldn't say a change in strategy. He's ALWAYS done this Moyes. Just now he has abit more money to do it even more this summer.

 

[Matt Damon]

He seems to be continously building for the future whilst retaining a core team of talent. But what doesn't frighten me is that your Cahill's, Neville's and Saha's all have suitable replacements. We're not like United who seem stuffed after Giggs, Scholes & co retire. For Cahill we have potentially Billy, Gueye, Rodwell etc, Neville we have Coleman to replace and Saha we have Silva. They might be cheap, but developed under Moyes could be very useful.

I think this coming season is a big season, i feel we need to win something to satisfy our big players, but i am not worried about our future, i think we are going to be a real force because Moyes is building an Everton dynasty, mixing youth and experience. Even our 1st team has an average age of 26 i think.

How great it is having young hungry players compared to the Smith days of Linderoth, Alexandersson, Ginola, Gascoigne, Campbell, Ferguson, Cleland

*shudders

My good friend Cena said it in two paragraphs.

Liverpool wish they were us. The blerts.

 

[neonleon]

He's buying them young and cheap in light of the transfer regulations, the new Premier League rules and because it suits us to do that.

Its doing this that really tests a managers skills.

I'm loving the fact all of them are U21 internationals and all of them have potentially great futures with us if they put the effort in.

I wouldn't say a change in strategy. He's ALWAYS done this Moyes. Just now he has abit more money to do it even more this summer.

Seems like a change in strategy to me, simply because this is easily the largest squad we've ever amassed under Moyes. Normally Moyes would have a clear out before he stocked up. Something tells me that while you correctly state that new transfer regulations and Premier league rules have influenced his decision, last years injury crises has forced a rethink as well.

 

[Neiler]

He's buying them young and cheap in light of the transfer regulations, the new Premier League rules and because it suits us to do that.

Its doing this that really tests a managers skills.

I'm loving the fact all of them are U21 internationals and all of them have potentially great futures with us if they put the effort in.

I wouldn't say a change in strategy. He's ALWAYS done this Moyes. Just now he has abit more money to do it even more this summer.

I thought those rules were scrapped mate.

 

[Matt Damon]

I thought those rules were scrapped mate.

No - the proposed UEFA rules were dropped over EU employment law grounds (incompatible)

The Premier League rules attempted to "pre-empt" and water down those proposals by saying "look at what we're doing already"

The Premier League has not rescinded their rule changes and they are not a restriction of movement. Because it refers to foreign nationals who have already come through a academy or... if they have spent over a certain period in the country already (I believe three years) and they qualify.

So effectively it doesn't exclude anyone such as the 6+5 rule in EU employment law.

 

[Matt Damon]

I thought those rules were scrapped mate.

the Premier League system where there must be eight home-grown players in squad of 25

is not the same as the FIFA 6+5 rule.

 

[Matt Damon]

Seems like a change in strategy to me, simply because this is easily the largest squad we've ever amassed under Moyes. Normally Moyes would have a clear out before he stocked up. Something tells me that while you correctly state that new transfer regulations and Premier league rules have influenced his decision, last years injury crises has forced a rethink as well.

Could be a bit of both then:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...r-ways-to-save-the-national-game-2013098.html
The Premier League's new rules governing the quota of home-developed players, which is to be introduced next season, has already impacted on clubs' transfer market activity. When the summer transfer window has closed on 1 September, each club must name a squad of 25 players for the forthcoming half-season, eight of which must have spent three years at an English or Welsh academy. Beyond that pool of 25, whose names must be submitted to the league – replicating the squad system for European competitions – a club may also select an unlimited number of under-21s, who will provide the flexibility needed in an injury crisis. Manchester United chief executive David Gill has described how the quota system has informed the club's decisions to invest in young players.

United seem ready to promote 20-year-old Ben Amos to be their third-choice keeper next season having made Tomasz Kuszczak the deputy to Edwin van der Sar. They have signed 20-year-old defender Chris Smalling, another Englishman from Fulham. Liverpool have signed midfielder Jonjo Shelvey from Charlton. Manchester City's desire to hold on to Nedum Onuoha and Shaun Wright-Phillips stems, in part, from the same quota rule.

The proposed Fifa legislation which might have done most to preserve the number of homegrown players in the league, the six-plus-five rule, was dropped on the eve of the World Cup. The Premier League opposed the idea, in part because the advice was that it would fall foul of European law. Fifa have finally reached the same conclusion.

 

[Neiler]

the Premier League system where there must be eight home-grown players in squad of 25

is not the same as the FIFA 6+5 rule.

Cool mate its hard to keep up with all the different rules.

I wonder is this a more informal agreement though rather then a rule (unsure like), hard to see how this wouldnt contrveine the E.U. restriction of trade legislation.

 

[bluebastardo]

The lower league clubs will have their players bought up now. Stuff International football. It's English football that needs protecting, so not sure why the players can be any nationality.

 

[Matt Damon]

Cool mate its hard to keep up with all the different rules.

I wonder is this a more informal agreement though rather then a rule (unsure like), hard to see how this wouldnt contrveine the E.U. restriction of trade legislation.

EU employment law - and restriction of trade totally different animals.

this is purely about the right of EU citizens to move across all 27 national borders and work anywhere in the EU (in their eyes).

However, by allowing other nationals into the academies and to effectively "earn" a neutral stance in relation to the rule after three years - it is not a restriction of employment.

a "proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim", which is legal under EU law.

Therefore they - and there's been no case made against it from the EU commission yet - feel that the 8 members of 25, and "earned" exception is more proportionate.

Its all to do with the Discrimination under EU law.