Ronald Koeman discussion

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rochdaleblue said:
I wish I could share your optimism over our chances of attaining a top 4 position. The moment we failed to get an adequate replacement for Rom, are chances for a top 4 finish nosedived. We have already been taken apart by united, Chelsea and Spurs and were lucky to get a point at city (due to our negative second half performance). To attain a top 4 position you have to take points off the other top 6 teams, one point out of 12 suggests we won't.
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OK, I agree with almost all of that.

Where I differ slightly is that I believe the Manc clubs and Chelsea will play in a little league of their own this season.

Which IMO rules out the top three places.

So if that is the case, our own mini league will be us with Arsenal, Spurs and the RS.

None of those three teams look particularly scary right now.....us bending over for Spurs notwithstanding :(

And we are not too far off those three teams right now points wise so as far as I am concerned, from 4th place down is up for grabs.
 

Khalekan said:
OK, I agree with almost all of that.

Where I differ slightly is that I believe the Manc clubs and Chelsea will play in a little league of their own this season.

Which IMO rules out the top three places.

So if that is the case, our own mini league will be us with Arsenal, Spurs and the RS.

None of those three teams look particularly scary right now.....us bending over for Spurs notwithstanding :(

And we are not too far off those three teams right now points wise so as far as I am concerned, from 4th place down is up for grabs.
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I know I keep harping on about it, but with no recognised centre forward, we are no way going to overtake the RS and Spurs. Even if we somehow managed to get one in January, we could well be out of the running by then anyway. I'm not being pessimistic just realistic, but I'd loved to be proved wrong;)
 
Khalekan said:
OK, I agree with almost all of that.

Where I differ slightly is that I believe the Manc clubs and Chelsea will play in a little league of their own this season.

Which IMO rules out the top three places.

So if that is the case, our own mini league will be us with Arsenal, Spurs and the RS.

None of those three teams look particularly scary right now.....us bending over for Spurs notwithstanding :(

And we are not too far off those three teams right now points wise so as far as I am concerned, from 4th place down is up for grabs.
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Maybe we should get out of the bottom four before we concentrate on getting in to the top four?
 

rochdaleblue said:
I know I keep harping on about it, but with no recognised centre forward, we are no way going to overtake the RS and Spurs. Even if we somehow managed to get one in January, we could well be out of the running by then anyway. I'm not being pessimistic just realistic, but I'd loved to be proved wrong;)
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Nothing wrong in being a realist. I think you are right.
Our only hope would be a lack of consistency in those above us. Spurs, on current form, look unstoppable, but there is a very good chance that Kloppite and co will drop a few clangers, and the Arse will be their usual dithering selves.
As has been said though, it is up to us to first pull ourselves out of this mire before we can even consider flirting with the top four perimeter fence. We desperately need to get a good run going now, and build momentum, or it will be a sack of coal for us for Christmas, and a bleak new year.
 

EFCccc said:
Is that bizarre to think we should be challenging for top 4?. Koeman has spent £250m since hes been here.
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Excuses for failure. He got it in early.

The idea that other teams have spent more means it rules us out is daft imo.

Spurs have spent less than City, United, Arsenal, RS, Chelsea...but are now a top 4 side.

Maybe it's down to the manager...
 
kenada_blue said:
He didn't. He said we spend £140mill to challenge for a top 4 spot.

He's not wrong.

But Koeman doesn't believe so, so here's to hoping for that 7th place trophy.
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Sorry but I don’t get that we should be getting top 4 because we spent a lot.

Did the big teams not already have multi million pound squads? Did most of them not spend loads in the summer too? Did they lose all their expensive players and me not realise?

We purely played a little bit of catch up. And will still be playing it for a good while yet.
 
ijjysmith said:
Sorry but I don’t get that we should be getting top 4 because we spent a lot.

Did the big teams not already have multi million pound squads? Did most of them not spend loads in the summer too? Did they lose all their expensive players and me not realise?

We purely played a little bit of catch up. And will still be playing it for a good while yet.
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No, but that will always be the case. Bottom line, you can spend billions but with the wrong manager you can still not reach where you want to do. How managers did City plough through to win 1 trophy - 3?

And getting top 4? Maybe not. Competing? Yes. Moyes did it. Martinez did it once. Not one of them spent what Koeman has.

You compete until someone drops the ball and you capitalise. Leicester did it. Spurs did it when United, RS and Arsenal were in flux. None of them have out spent the big 4.

Koeman comes across like he could spend and spend but still not progress to being a winner because of how negative and egotistical he is.
 

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