Usmanov

[captainvindaloo]

It looks to me more like Usmanov is using the only thing at his disposal to undermine, rock the boat or influence Kroenke, and that is from the outside, through the media, and ultimately the fan base. However, Kroenke is in such a strong position and appears unmoved by media talk or fan pressure, that nothing at boardroom level is likely to change.

The real question is then, given it is such a stalemate, is Usmanov's love affair with Arsenal on the wane, or will he be a fan to the end and stick it out?

If I were a huge shareholder at Everton, the team I love, and the board had shut me out, would I give up on them and go throw my support at some other club? I think not. I believe I would do all I could to discredit and drive out the idiots who were blocking me from having a say in my club. But then, I was born and raised a blue. Do Usmanov's feelings run as deep for Arsenal as mine do for Everton, or is his loyalty driven more by money, power and ego? If it is the latter, then we should absolutely expect him to have plans in place to invest even more in Everton, and ultimately somehow or other, have a major holding and influence. I do not think we can write this off just yet.

On a side note, there are a lot of Chinese billionaire football fans in the world now, more than ever, and don't forget, Usmanov is not the only Russian billionaire fish in the sea.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Nailed on this

 

[rochdaleblue]

I don't know why but I'd much prefer usmanov investing in Everton than some other Chinese billionaire. It's apparent due to his involvement with moshiri at arsenal, usmanov and moshiri have got 'football sense' and I would have every confidence in them making the right footballing decisions for Everton. Whereas there are question marks over any Chinese or American involvement as although they might have other sporting franchises, running a football club requires other skills and knowledge. Maybe it's just me being too scepitical about 'outsiders' investing in the club.

 

[roydo]

Just so many is, buts, maybes in all this.

But it seems every week another thing crops up that keeps everyone both intrigued, a bit excited, but still no where anywhere near any real conclusion.

And despite all the suggestions of levers being pulled, the Esk sized question still hasnt been explained away; How will he exit Arsenal?

 

[roydo]

I don't know why but I'd much prefer usmanov investing in Everton than some other Chinese billionaire. It's apparent due to his involvement with moshiri at arsenal, usmanov and moshiri have got 'football sense' and I would have every confidence in them making the right footballing decisions for Everton. Whereas there are question marks over any Chinese or American involvement as although they might have other sporting franchises, running a football club requires other skills and knowledge. Maybe it's just me being too scepitical about 'outsiders' investing in the club.

Me too.

China are Johnny Come Lately in all this, just cos their President loves football. The next one might not.

They can make everything dead cheap, but havnt a clue about football.

 

[captainvindaloo]

I don't know why but I'd much prefer usmanov investing in Everton than some other Chinese billionaire. It's apparent due to his involvement with moshiri at arsenal, usmanov and moshiri have got 'football sense' and I would have every confidence in them making the right footballing decisions for Everton. Whereas there are question marks over any Chinese or American involvement as although they might have other sporting franchises, running a football club requires other skills and knowledge. Maybe it's just me being too scepitical about 'outsiders' investing in the club.

Feel the same way. The Chinese thing feels like a fad, where as Russia has football ingrained in their culture.

 

[rochdaleblue]

Just so many is, buts, maybes in all this.

But it seems every week another thing crops up that keeps everyone both intrigued, a bit excited, but still no where anywhere near any real conclusion.

And despite all the suggestions of levers being pulled, the Esk sized question still hasnt been explained away; How will he exit Arsenal?

Exactly. Who is going to spend 100s of millions buying usmanov's stake to have zero influence in the running of the club? Likewise kronke has no need to buy his shares, as his position couldn't really be enhanced anyway. The only slim chance I could see of kronke buying his shares, is buying his shares as he is fed up with usmanov's criticism of him in the media, as to the direction in which he is taking the club.

 

[roydo]

The only slim chance I could see of kronke buying his shares, is buying his shares as he is fed up with usmanov's criticism of him in the media, as to the direction in which he is taking the club.

But that would free him up to challenge Arsenal, in the open, so to speak, by bank rolling us. Makes less than zero business sense. Kroenke has Usmanov exactly where he wants him. And he doesnt give a stuff about what fans say, maybe what they spend, but nowt else.

But then we come back round to why he let Moshiri off the leash, and gave him christ knows how much for essentially worthless shares he pretty much controlled anyrate. To make a competitor stronger. Then helps again via FF.

Mental all this.

 

[Azza]

Just so many is, buts, maybes in all this.

But it seems every week another thing crops up that keeps everyone both intrigued, a bit excited, but still no where anywhere near any real conclusion.

And despite all the suggestions of levers being pulled, the Esk sized question still hasnt been explained away; How will he exit Arsenal?

I'll buy his shares for a £ then he's free to buy 50% of us and give 1% to fans.

 

[PhilM]

In that context yes, ofc it is a persons opinion based on how much information they have - who knows?

To be fair, it could be correct in either context. Moshiri funds from Russian interests? Further sponsorship by USM? Usmanov directly involved?

Who knows - we will simply have to wait and see and I think the more the stadium progresses, the more we'll find out about investment.

 

[Westend Blue]

Just so many is, buts, maybes in all this.

But it seems every week another thing crops up that keeps everyone both intrigued, a bit excited, but still no where anywhere near any real conclusion.

And despite all the suggestions of levers being pulled, the Esk sized question still hasnt been explained away; How will he exit Arsenal?

It's the one thing I can't see being resolved easy. Kronke won't sell his shares barring disaster. He doesn't need to buy uzzies shares and would risk the wrath of arsenal fans if he did plus it renders usmanov powerless in the situation. Good luck to usmanov convincing somebody to buy a dead end product 300 mil worth with no say.

 

[Eggs]

But that would free him up to challenge Arsenal, in the open, so to speak, by bank rolling us. Makes less than zero business sense. Kroenke has Usmanov exactly where he wants him. And he doesnt give a stuff about what fans say, maybe what they spend, but nowt else.

But then we come back round to why he let Moshiri off the leash, and gave him christ knows how much for essentially worthless shares he pretty much controlled anyrate. To make a competitor stronger. Then helps again via FF.

Mental all this.

...I presume Usmanov could sell his shares to a 'new' or existing Arsenal shareholder (other than Kroenke), even at lower than the market rate give Kroenke's investment is worth £300m more than 10 years ago. I don't suppose it would be allowed for Usmanov to pass his shareholding to a family member.

Also, why didn't Usmanov sell his R&W shares to Moshiri. It's all too complicated for me.

 

[bluestevon]

Just so many is, buts, maybes in all this.

But it seems every week another thing crops up that keeps everyone both intrigued, a bit excited, but still no where anywhere near any real conclusion.

And despite all the suggestions of levers being pulled, the Esk sized question still hasnt been explained away; How will he exit Arsenal?

It only remains unanswered if you ignore any chance that at any point people buy a sizeable stake in any company without demanding or having a say in that company mate

Paul insists no one would purchase a 30% share of Arsenal without having some voice, but ignores any point put to him about countless other companies that have large % shareholders who are perfectly happy to just have it as an investment.

he could sell them to an investment fund, or an individual who is perfectly happy with as Paul calls it 'premier league exposure' (yet discounts anyone else valuing that besides when he states its benefit to Usmanov and Moshiri), Kroenke may decide finally he would like full ownership - which 'actually' does carry benefits to him which he hasn't already got - you think Kroenke may like not having to call AGM's and answer to people? - full ownership i believe he can do just that. Hell he can even put the shares up for general sale - given Arsenals global fan base, given how well it does in corporate sales etc and given the clubs profile, do you think they wouldn't sell fast if he did so?

 

[davids]

Feel the same way. The Chinese thing feels like a fad, where as Russia has football ingrained in their culture.

I know he isn't Chinese.http://www.espnfc.com/valencia/stor...plan-peaceful-protest-against-owner-peter-lim
Every team bought out should cross fingers.

 

[roydo]

Perhaps his end game is the property opportunities in the whole Liverpool Waters development. It seems the kick off to a lot of that is the ground; get his mate involved in that, then wade in once its sorted, and own all sorts there.

Makes a weird sort of sense.