What would be seen as a successful season?

What would be a decent season in terms of league position?

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Mountfield1985 said:
No it's not about getting more personnel. It's about getting the right personnel. Our squad was overblown with failed players on big wages. Koeman has addressed that and created more of a pathway for young players (something you've given him stick about all season on the basis of a few angry southampton supporters). And he's added players that have gone straight in and improved the first team.For me, the only case you can make for paying over the odds is Bolasie, and with that injury we'll probably never know if it would have worked out good value for money.
I don't really care if we pay a over the odds for a few players. We've had to, and we will continue to have to. Just like we charged Man City way over the odds for Stones. Just like Hull will for Niasse, or Watford will for Cleverley.

In general our ingoings and outgoings have been very positive. Hopefully on the back of a decent league finish and with European football, we will be able to step up the calibre of players we chase.
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They're mighty big claims for the supporter of a club with an owner who is barely a billionaire at it's helm in a league where billionaires are the norm.

Resources are finite. We'll see a few more big names out the door in the next couple of seasons and that will largely fund the incomings.

And in any case, are you saying that the £18M overspend identified couldn't be used to bring in the right personnel? On what basis? Wasn't Gueye £7M? Dont we have Walsh who is here to go out and bring in talent ready for the first team for reasonable prices?
 

Westend Blue said:
@davek agree that we overspent on yannick by a fair margin 10 ish mil. That's just how the market is and he was very effective in his time until the injury. Agree that if you think he is pish and a waste of money it's you're opinion but using the injury to bash him is distasteful I reckon. Injuries are part and parcel of the game and he wasn't an injury prone player before. I still cringe to think of the [Poor language removed] hawks of Newcastle didn't injury arteta and jags all those years ago
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...and where have I done that?
 
Thread title: What would be seen as a successful season?

4th/Cup Win.

Poll title: What would be a decent season in terms of league position?

Europa League.
 
davek said:
They're mighty big claims for the supporter of a club with an owner who is barely a billionaire at it's helm in a league where billionaires are the norm.

Resources are finite. We'll see a few more big names out the door in the next couple of seasons and that will largely fund the incomings.

And in any case, are you saying that the £18M overspend identified couldn't be used to bring in the right personnel? On what basis? Wasn't Gueye £7M? Dont we have Walsh who is here to go out and bring in talent ready for the first team for reasonable prices?
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How on earth are they mighty big claims? If we want to take clubs best players and challenge, yes we will be paying big prices. Just like we paid to Swansea with Williams, and Palace with Bolasie. We will continue to make those sorts of transfers, that's not a big claim, the hope is that we will be poaching better players from better clubs as we progress.

Stop using this arbitrary £18m figure that you think we could have saved. I don't care what we could have done with an imaginary number you've made up.

Gueye was cheap yes. Not every signing can be a Gueye. Hopefully Walsh can find a few more but it doesn't mean we should start demanding every signing is an off the radar bargain who turns out to be our best player.
 
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davek said:
Twas ever thus, but they are the terms of employment. Too stiff for him? Then he should hand his £6M per year wages back and go and manage AZ Alkmaar or some other outfit in that rubbish league of his.
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Missing the point a bit Dave, Mourinho at arguably the biggest club in the UK having spent near 90 million on just one player, is struggling to compete. Put any manager you want in Koeman's position, we can still only spend x amount, with x amount wages and the pool of players we are looking for have a choice of 6 clubs ahead of us who can match or better us.

I'm not saying it's not possible but it's more likely for us to do a Leicester and be there one season than be constantly there. Over a number of years if we spend wisely we may close that gap down but over the next few years not a chance.

We all want the same thing and that's for Everton to compete and win trophies, but being unrealistic doesn't help. It's ok shooting for the moon but if we don't make it there is no point in going bonkers. Let's see what Moshiri can do but it's fairly obvious that most of the players we are after want to go to teams that are already complete and not a work in progress. We have done a lot in short timeframe but there is still a lot to do, we all have to be patient methinks.
 
The binman chronicles said:
Missing the point a bit Dave, Mourinho at arguably the biggest club in the UK having spent near 90 million on just one player, is struggling to compete. Put any manager you want in Koeman's position, we can still only spend x amount, with x amount wages and the pool of players we are looking for have a choice of 6 clubs ahead of us who can match or better us.

I'm not saying it's not possible but it's more likely for us to do a Leicester and be there one season than be constantly there. Over a number of years if we spend wisely we may close that gap down but over the next few years not a chance.

We all want the same thing and that's for Everton to compete and win trophies, but being unrealistic doesn't help. It's ok shooting for the moon but if we don't make it there is no point in going bonkers. Let's see what Moshiri can do but it's fairly obvious that most of the players we are after want to go to teams that are already complete and not a work in progress. We have done a lot in short timeframe but there is still a lot to do, we all have to be patient methinks.
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Yes, of course, be realistic. In that spirit is it not realistic to expect what is supposedly a better manager than both Moyes and Martinez to repeat their best seasons here? Isn't that why he was chased all summer and head hunted?

I mean, going through all that just to task him with '7th place this season Ronnie lad, and see if you can go 6th next season' doesn't seem worth it really does it?

As said earlier in relation to both Koeman and Moshiri: keep pressing them and agitating against them if they slide. They, after all, are the "new improved" regime...so lets hold them to that. At least match what the Moyes/Kenwright era and Martinez/Kenwright era did or it's all a massive waste of time, surely?
 

davek said:
Yes, of course, be realistic. In that spirit is it not realistic to expect what is supposedly a better manager than both Moyes and Martinez to repeat their best seasons here? Isn't that why he was chased all summer and head hunted?

I mean, going through all that just to task him with '7th place this season Ronnie lad, and see if you can go 6th next season' doesn't seem worth it really does it?

As said earlier in relation to both Koeman and Moshiri: keep pressing them and agitating against them if they slide. They, after all, are the "new improved" regime...so lets hold them to that. At least match what the Moyes/Kenwright era and Martinez/Kenwright era did or it's all a massive waste of time, surely?
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I agree that we shouldn't get too happy about achieving positions which were very recently the norm or below the norm for us, but I don't think you need to keep reminding people of that. Opinions so far are based on half a season after two poor seasons. I am sure the majority of the fans will be more demanding from next season on, especially if we are spending a fair amount of money.
 
Top half is acceptable, but the minimum. Europa is success after finishing 11th and I'll be happy to be able to watch us play more games. Top four would see me bouncing off the walls.
 
The final league position should be bettered than the previous season, this season 6-7th next 5-6th and so on. We are on the right track and moving in the right direction. If we continue to progress as we are, then we should be challenging strongly that 4th spot in the next 2 seasons..
i would hope with a long awaited cup win in between..
 
davek said:
Crap team into a top four team? What the one that got top 5 with a record points tally? That one?

Mate, never in a month of Sundays do I expect this Dutchman to get top 4. But that is his task, just as it was his predecessors task - who spent a lot less money than this feller will have spent even by the end of this coming summers transfer window.

So, just to clarify: 7th followed by 7th wont do it. Not by a long chalk.
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You reel this one out regularly. And every time someone points out that that was in the first season when the defence was basically Moyes creation and he hadn't destroyed it. Once he had had time to put his mark on the squad the team was a proven disaster that would get nowhere near top 4. All the better players had aged and the ones he brought in, by-and-large were woeful (Lukaku and Barry excepted).

Do you genuinely believe this or are you just a bored internet warrior?
 
JLW said:
The final league position should be bettered than the previous season, this season 6-7th next 5-6th and so on. We are on the right track and moving in the right direction. If we continue to progress as we are, then we should be challenging strongly that 4th spot in the next 2 seasons..
i would hope with a long awaited cup win in between..
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In a perfect world
 
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