What would be seen as a successful season?

What would be a decent season in terms of league position?


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I went with top 4.

Staying where we are would be fine. I wouldnt call it a success though.

Actually coming top 4 isnt a "success" either.

I expect us to win everything. Even the Checkatrade trophy.
 

Let's get into Europe in one way or another, then I want to at least see us in the knockout stages of that. Wouldn't be mad if we put most of the focus on that and at least try to get there again the following season.
 
Crap team into a top four team? What the one that got top 5 with a record points tally? That one?

Mate, never in a month of Sundays do I expect this Dutchman to get top 4. But that is his task, just as it was his predecessors task - who spent a lot less money than this feller will have spent even by the end of this coming summers transfer window.

So, just to clarify: 7th followed by 7th wont do it. Not by a long chalk.

Do you think the teams above us are all going to be standing still? It's going to be massively difficult to overtake any of them nevermind 3 of them in one season.

It doesn't matter who the manager is and how much they spend, just look at exhibit A man utd. We have the 7th best 'pull' in the league and we are where we should be, next season that will be the same. Par is 7th, anything else we have done something special or the team(s) above have imploded.

The RS and Spurs are the low hanging fruit, let's hope we can overtake one of them next year. Until we have a new stadium or managed to fluke into the CL or won one of the cups that can only be the target.
 

Squad has been ridden of the deadwood and we are playing with passion and should finish top 8. Vast improvement with a good summer to come I'd imagine.
 
Well our net spend isn't anywhere close to £72m, it's around £25m with the possibility of receiving more fee's from loaned out players. The business we have done HAS gone a long way to reconfiguring the squad (obvious to literally everyone but you)

If you sincerely believe our squad was in better nick this time 6 months ago, you are seriously deluding yourself. I suspect you don't though. You just enjoy slinging mud at Koeman and hoping it sticks.
It's a net spend of £30M and a gross spend of £72M.

I'm not complaining about the money spent. About time we spent on the squad. However, it has to be wise spending and spending that gets us more personnel than we have got for it. Imo, we have overpaid on just two players to the tune of £18M - enough to get two more first team contenders in and which would have given us a fighting chance of nearing the end of the rebuilding programme at the end of this summer. But that wont happen now.
 
Success is relative; at the start of the campaign success was to set the new baseline, build a stable platform for growth, and create a path forward for success. It looks like we're on the way to seeing that complete. The squad still has questions to answer and still has holes to fill, but the defense is no longer as leaky as my kid's underpants, and, more importantly, the team is feared again and can insert itself into matches and exert control over the outcome. Achieving this and a top-half finish under the turnaround was a reasonable goal and seems like we'll see both.

So if that's done, or at least making substantial progress, set a new standard for the season's finish: whether it's a solid 7 chasing other clubs, or pushing into EL contention, or even more ambitious pursuits, that's fine. For me, I'd like to see the club contending for 6th, which is reasonable if the platform is stable and we continue to see good efforts in matches. I can't believe all of the 6 above EFC will continue their current form, and most are within reach to at least climb one rung.
 
We aren't Wigan. We wouldn't take winning the FA Cup and then ending up in the 3rd Division as success.
Oh no. I'd have refused to accept a lowly trophy like the FA Cup. We only deal in PL titles and the European Cup dont we?

'kin ell....22 friggin years without a sniff of a trophy and you'd hand one back.
 
Do you think the teams above us are all going to be standing still? It's going to be massively difficult to overtake any of them nevermind 3 of them in one season.

It doesn't matter who the manager is and how much they spend, just look at exhibit A man utd. We have the 7th best 'pull' in the league and we are where we should be, next season that will be the same. Par is 7th, anything else we have done something special or the team(s) above have imploded.

The RS and Spurs are the low hanging fruit, let's hope we can overtake one of them next year. Until we have a new stadium or managed to fluke into the CL or won one of the cups that can only be the target.
Twas ever thus, but they are the terms of employment. Too stiff for him? Then he should hand his £6M per year wages back and go and manage AZ Alkmaar or some other outfit in that rubbish league of his.
 

As fans we should always see success as becoming the best, which, of course, means winning things.

As a realist, however, I know that we aren't going to win anything this year. That then makes the idea of success become more about moving forward and improving noticeably rather than actually winning.

I would view success as the following:

Continuing our unbeaten run for as long as possible - or start a new run if beaten.
At least one or two bigger scalps. Taking points of Chelsea, Liverpool and Man U would be great.
No long term injuries (e.g. Besic) that will carry on into next season
The continued use of youth in the match day squad.
Finish with a positive goal difference of above 15 or 20
No lower than 7th.

If at the end of the season we've hit those targets, I think I'll view this season as a success. Not what I hoped for at the start of the season, but a definite improvement on last season that will hopefully precede a spectacular transfer window and solid pre-season.
 
It's a net spend of £30M and a gross spend of £72M.

I'm not complaining about the money spent. About time we spent on the squad. However, it has to be wise spending and spending that gets us more personnel than we have got for it. Imo, we have overpaid on just two players to the tune of £18M - enough to get two more first team contenders in and which would have given us a fighting chance of nearing the end of the rebuilding programme at the end of this summer. But that wont happen now.

No it's not about getting more personnel. It's about getting the right personnel. Our squad was overblown with failed players on big wages. Koeman has addressed that and created more of a pathway for young players (something you've given him stick about all season on the basis of a few angry southampton supporters). And he's added players that have gone straight in and improved the first team.

For me, the only case you can make for paying over the odds is Bolasie, and with that injury we'll probably never know if it would have worked out good value for money.

I don't really care if we pay a over the odds for a few players. We've had to, and we will continue to have to. Just like we charged Man City way over the odds for Stones. Just like Hull will for Niasse, or Watford will for Cleverley.

In general our ingoings and outgoings have been very positive. Hopefully on the back of a decent league finish and with European football, we will be able to step up the calibre of players we chase.
 
Would another 6 of the same caliber come this time next year keep you happy?

Well with regards this summer we need to be filling in some holes within the squad and also adding a few players that can make a difference to the first team.

And of course to "continue" the purge we had in the last window, ie turning those loans into perms.

European football will be fairly vital if we wish to take the "next step".
 
@davek agree that we overspent on yannick by a fair margin 10 ish mil. That's just how the market is and he was very effective in his time until the injury. Agree that if you think he is pish and a waste of money it's you're opinion but using the injury to bash him is distasteful I reckon. Injuries are part and parcel of the game and he wasn't an injury prone player before. I still cringe to think of the [Poor language removed] hawks of Newcastle didn't injury arteta and jags all those years ago
 
For a poorly coached, aging, lower mid table side that just offloaded their below par manager in the summer I think any improvement on last season's 11th is a success in that hopefully it shows movement in the opposite direction to the last two dreadful seasons.
 

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