Ronald Koeman discussion

[Dirty Dutch]

I have come to the conclusion you are Erwin Koeman

Sorry

Don't tell davek

 

[Saint Domingo]

So Koeman is a whole 3 points better of than Martinez in week 20 of the league, Koeman is +5 GD Martinez was +7

Martinez would go onto two semi finals and Koeman has seen us knocked out of both comps

Before Bolaise was injured he had 4 players in the starting eleven that he signed, Yet the football and results have hardly improved

Martinez had three seasons to get his ideas across and was only going in a negative trajectory. Koeman has had 6 months. Any comparison at this point is futile.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I can't see into the future mate so I have no reply

Nor can I mate. All I'm saying is that we may only be 3 ahead at this point, but to not be 3 or more ahead after 38 games, then we'd need to show proper full on relegation form till May

 

[mutley]

We're 7th now......

West brom are 8th
Bournemouth are 9th

This season there is the top 6 and then there is the rest,
i think we will be about 20 points at least off the top 6 by the end of the season

 

[Ernie]

Martinez had three seasons to get his ideas across and was only going in a negative trajectory. Koeman has had 6 months. Any comparison at this point is futile.

4 new players, 6 months of training the players and zero evidence of any improvement or indication as to what he's actually attempting

 

[everton2004]

West brom are 8th
Bournemouth are 9th

This season there is the top 6 and then there is the rest,
i think we will be about 20 points at least off the top 6 by the end of the season

And your point is? Reality check: we're not a top 4 team, we haven't been for decades. We're not top 6 either. West Brom and Bournemouth are there on merit - they're not automatically gash teams that we should be hammering because they're unfashionable. Gash teams get relegated.

 

[everton2004]

4 new players, 6 months of training the players and zero evidence of any improvement or indication as to what he's actually attempting

I'd say 7th place versus 11th place last season at the same point is an improvement, no?

 

[Ernie]

3 points. What position were we in?

Its still only a 3 point increase on the horror show that was Martinez

We have been beaten by Bournemouth/Burnley/Watford and failed to beat Swansea/Palace/Hull

If you believe the signs are there that Koeman will drive us on please tell me what they are

 

[Toffeeslam]

4 new players, 6 months of training the players and zero evidence of any improvement or indication as to what he's actually attempting

My guess is he is attempting to get his own players in

 

[Saint Domingo]

4 new players, 6 months of training the players and zero evidence of any improvement or indication as to what he's actually attempting

Two of which are injured, the other now at the AFCON, and despite this he has us in a league position that his predecessor failed to sniff for the entirety of his last two seasons? There is some aspects of Koeman's performance that is open to valid criticism but I'm not sure where you're going with this. Are you really suggesting that Martinez is better?

 

[Ernie]

I'd say 7th place versus 11th place last season at the same point is an improvement, no?

However you wash it its 3 points, One win, That's the difference even after bringing in his own men and backroom staff

 

[everton2004]

Its still only a 3 point increase on the horror show that was Martinez

We have been beaten by Bournemouth/Burnley/Watford and failed to beat Swansea/Palace/Hull

If you believe the signs are there that Koeman will drive us on please tell me what they are

But a 4 place difference in the table. Improvement?

 

[Ernie]

Two of which are injured, the other now at the AFCON, and despite this he has us in a league position that his predecessor failed to sniff for the entirety of his last two seasons? There is some aspects of Koeman's performance that is open to valid criticism but I'm not sure where you're going with this. Are you really suggesting that Martinez is better?

That's only happened in the last few games, We have been poor in 90% of our games even when all four of his men played

 

[mutley]

And your point is? Reality check: we're not a top 4 team, we haven't been for decades. We're not top 6 either. West Brom and Bournemouth are there on merit - they're not automatically gash teams that we should be hammering because they're unfashionable. Gash teams get relegated.

My point was that "the rest" as you put it are [Poor language removed] this season.

 

[Ernie]

But a 4 place difference in the table. Improvement?

Of course, I couldn't say otherwise could I?

I'm just looking at the bigger picture rather than seeing us in 7th and thinking its a big deal when in reality we've won one more game than at the same point last year and have been knocked out of both cups by poor sides at home