Moutinho - all talk in here please.

[Axlswhk]

Where is Barlow Boots and Nuno?

 

[bluebloodinmyveins]

Where is Barlow Boots and Nuno?

HE hasn't been here for ages on either account.

 

[sotnas]

WHEN he has a good world cup, you can guarantee his value will be nearer 30mil. He's a top player, and IF we want him, we best get it done before the world cup.

The release clause is about £20M (22,5M€).

I think Sporting will consider a business on lower value £15/£18M.

 

[Goat]

Rodwell is the main reason I oppose Moutinho. If he comes, you can be sure Rodwell will facilitate the deal.

And I'm not talking about sexual favours for the Portuguese one.

Im totally with you, the same thing for Lescott last Summer for Me.

If in order to sign The Mout we have to lose Rodwell, then im deeply against it. And we both know that we cant have 1 without the other, theres no other possible way of raising the £15-18m without the sale of 1 of the brightest teenage talents in the country.

So you give me the choice, Rodwell or The Mout, its Jack everytime, not saying hes better, just Rodwell is ours. Now if you said Osman or The Mout, well, not much of a choice really.

He makes you tingle doesn't he goat?

Yes he does, every little thing he does is Magic, every little thing just turns me on.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

I think sotnas put the range around 15m. Felli didn't warrant our transfer record back then and he struggled as DM but look at him now.
True that Mout is not a winger by trade, but I don't think he'll play much worse than Osman on the wings.

To be fair mate, Osman could play outwide in League's like Portugal and Spain. It's a slower tempo, there's more basis on technical ability rather than pace and power. Once again, I'm not saying England is better than Spain, just different.

But from what I've seen of Moutinho, he's comfortably better than Osman, he's like a rich man's version of Leon.

 

[Goat]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrEDiO5oE&feature=fvst[/media]

Loving Mout is easy cos hes beautiful.

And by the way, for the record, who do I have to kill for bringing this thread up again?

I WAS OVER HIM FFS.

Now im gonna cry in Sept when we havent signed him, thanks guys, hate you all, love The Mout.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

'Also disagree with Moutinho being effective 'anywhere across midfield'. On the wings, definitely not - defensive mid? Very much doubt it in the Prem.

You're entitled to your opinion, and you deserve my utmost respect.

But you are clearly judging a player you don't know, based on a couple of matches.

So he is effective anywhere across the midfield?

Changed your tune mate. After the first leg you defended his performance by saying this;

Moutinho played out of position. You clearly don't believe DM would table a bid of 15M for THIS Moutinho, do you?

Moutinho was woeful, but he was misplaced. Matias touched a lot on the ball, but no one was moving their arse to open a line for a pass.

But now you're saying he's effective across the midfield? Sorry to pull your pants down but make up your mind ay?

Also, the extent of which you've seen a player perform doesn't necessarily make you're opinion more valid than the next. Knowledge comes into play, as can bias.

An example of so can be seen here Thats a Belgian fan being as ignorant as yourself, mocking me a while back for saying Fellaini was a defensive midfielder.

Funny that Everton first spotted Moutinho playing the defensive midfield role.

Thats some assumption that mate. You're either Moyes' PA or on our scouting team then?

After paying 15M€ for Fellaini, I find amusing that you question a 18M price tag on a better player.

Sure mate, sure. No idea why on earth your bringing that one up but seeing as you have, Fellaini was £4m down. The rest in appearences and clauses. Thats some difference and much more of an insurance policy for Everton compared to £19.7m up front to trigger a release clause for Moutinho.

 

[Axlswhk]

And by the way, for the record, who... thread up again? [/QUOTE] kenwrong!! :)

 

[Goat]

Sotnas has watched him a lot, as have I. Now whilst I agree our judgement could be way off and has been proved many, many times my judgement is a friggin joke. But do you know whos judgement is nearly always spot on?

Sir David of Moyes, 3 times LMA winner. He saw something 2 years ago and he probably still sees it, no more glaring then when he ripped us a new arse.

So of course question My judgement, it needs it, but not the big man, the big man knows best.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

But do you know whos judgement is nearly always spot on?

Sir David of Moyes, 3 times LMA winner. He saw something 2 years ago and he probably still sees it, no more glaring then when he ripped us a new arse.

So of course question My judgement, it needs it, but not the big man, the big man knows best.

Indeed, and he bid £11.8m, got told no and promptly went elsewhere.

I suspect at the time the 21-year-old Portuguese international as well as a young club captain attracted Moyes' attention. We all know how he loves his squeaky clean players. Players who won't even get in the boat, never mind rock it.

I'll be very surprised if Moyes paid the kind of money Sporting are apparently looking for. Even if Rodwell was sold and we had the money to begin with.

I do like Moutinho, he looks a tidy player. I just don't think we need him, especially not to the tune of £18m+. I'd prefer one of them wide midfielders. The ones who play on the wing. What are they called again? It's been so long I've forgot.

 

[sotnas]

So he is effective anywhere across the midfield?

Changed your tune mate. After the first leg you defended his performance by saying this;





But now you're saying he's effective across the midfield? Sorry to pull your pants down but make up your mind ay?

Also, the extent of which you've seen a player perform doesn't necessarily make you're opinion more valid than the next. Knowledge comes into play, as can bias.

An example of so can be seen here Thats a Belgian fan mocking me a while back for saying Fellaini was a defensive midfielder.



Thats some assumption that mate. You're either Moyes' PA or on our scouting team then?



Sure mate, sure. No idea why on earth your bringing that one up but seeing as you have, Fellaini was £4m down. The rest in appearences and clauses. Thats some difference and much more of an insurance policy for Everton compared to £19.7m up front to trigger a release clause for Moutinho.

I mentioned in the middle of the park. I meant, as a central midfielder he can play with equal effectiveness any role you give him, offensive or defensive. It's different to be the holding midfielder, the box to box or even the attacking midfielder. Have you tried Kaka as a defensive midfielder? He won't be the same, will he?

On the wings, he'll never be more than an utility player for a special mission (to help his full back to deal with a strong opponents wing, for example). I never said he was a player to play on the wings with the same effectiveness. My mistake if I couldn't make myself understood.

About Fellaini, I think that even 11M is a lot of money for a player who still needs loads of work on him. 11M for a player who, under normal circumstances won't be fielded. Arteta and Cahill look obvious to me in a 3 men midfield. Not sure I'd throw Fellaini in.

The best match I've seen from him was against Arsenal and for 15/20 minutes he owed the midfield. But I also watched him against Benfica and the only thing he could move fast enough were his arms, waving at the ref, after catching somebody's legs. He didn't see much of the ball either. But again, my knowledge of the lad goes from a couple of matches for Belgium (vs Portugal) and no more than 20 matches in the EPL. The outcome of what I've seen from him is that he is inconsistent, not a genius on the ball and no smart passer of the ball. Looks like a guy that can run up and down the pitch with a presence in set pieces.

Not a bad player but not an 11M player.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I mentioned in the middle of the park. I meant, as a central midfielder he can play with equal effectiveness any role you give him, offensive or defensive. It's different to be the holding midfielder, the box to box or even the attacking midfielder. Have you tried Kaka as a defensive midfielder? He won't be the same, will he?

On the wings, he'll never be more than an utility player for a special mission (to help his full back to deal with a strong opponents wing, for example). I never said he was a player to play on the wings with the same effectiveness. My mistake if I couldn't make myself understood.

So he's a centre midfielder then, isn't he? Like I said, he can't play across the midfield with effectiveness, can he? You admitted as much when saying he was woeful purely because of being played out of position on the wings.

After saying that, you can't then turn around and dispute me saying he's not effective across the entire midfield ...

About Fellaini, I think that even 11M is a lot of money for a player who still needs loads of work on him. 11M for a player who, under normal circumstances won't be fielded. Arteta and Cahill look obvious to me in a 3 men midfield. Not sure I'd throw Fellaini in.

The best match I've seen from him was against Arsenal and for 15/20 minutes he owed the midfield. But I also watched him against Benfica and the only thing he could move fast enough were his arms, waving at the ref, after catching somebody's legs. He didn't see much of the ball either. But again, my knowledge of the lad goes from a couple of matches for Belgium (vs Portugal) and no more than 20 matches in the EPL. The outcome of what I've seen from him is that he is inconsistent, not a genius on the ball and no smart passer of the ball. Looks like a guy that can run up and down the pitch with a presence in set pieces.

Not a bad player but not an 11M player.

you are clearly judging a player you don't know,

 

[Brownie]

beeeeeef

 

[Neiler]

I think he could play in the hole to be honest he destroyed us there playing in between the midfei;d and defence bringing the rest of the team into play.

But i agree with the the majority its not worth blowing our entire transfer buget on, wingers should be the order of the day followed by a good solid midfeild sweeper.

 

[bluebastardo]

Some great posting in this thread.