Everton: we look an unhappy camp

[Ernie]

Less of the name calling please. It's possible to have totally opposing views without name calling. Thanks

I see this quite a lot on here, Its a forum to discuss our club, Obviously people will have differing opinions, Sly digs are very petty and uncalled for imo

 

[ianefc]

Lots of good points here

There is nothing to suggest after 12 games we look anywhere near good enough to string a run together and the upcoming games make for grim reading, Like you have said, Swansea at home is as easy as it gets and we struggled to a late draw, Just as we faulted against Bournemouth and Burnley

Have a feeling a lot of the players are already sick of Koeman, You only have to look at his track record with upsetting players to see he's a very poor man manager, They look uninterested and hardly any of them are putting in a shift

Ernies agreeing with him.

I've been wummed here.

Apologies.

 

[silent bob]

He's gone mate. Six months in charge Koeman. Focus on him and these players.

 

[bluestevon]

Because blokes have pride I suppose and being so so wrong on Martinez really hurt his pride. So now he's gunning for Koeman. Despite as you say is being 2 points better off after 12 games then last season and he was raving about our start last time out.

Everyone with a bit of nouse whose been on the forum more than a few months knows exactly what Dave is doing mate, it's a free world and stuff - my only annoyance is some good points he makes do get lost in the hyperbole/pantomine of the situation though which is a shame

 

[Thomasc]

Less of the name calling please. It's possible to have totally opposing views without name calling. Thanks

It is, but when it's so blatantly obvious that the OP didn't take this stance with the previous manager and it looks like either gross stupidity or blatant wind up, then I suppose he will continue to attract these kind of responses.

 

[davek]

Hmmm...we are 2 points better of than last season, but then you telling people not to panic..so why panic now?

We'd played by that time a lot more fancied teams than we have this season. NOW it gets tough and our trajectory is already down over two and a half months.

In any case, I'm not panicking, I;m concerned that this Koeman project has hit the wall and looks done already.

 

[Paul w]

Lots of good points here

There is nothing to suggest after 12 games we look anywhere near good enough to string a run together and the upcoming games make for grim reading, Like you have said, Swansea at home is as easy as it gets and we struggled to a late draw, Just as we faulted against Bournemouth and Burnley

Have a feeling a lot of the players are already sick of Koeman, You only have to look at his track record with upsetting players to see he's a very poor man manager, They look uninterested and hardly any of them are putting in a shift

What happens if they don't like the next manager mate do we pamper to the players again,we need to back the manager and start shifting players out if that is the problem
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[Pienaar's gloves]

Would have to argue that this manager looks a better fit than the previous one did for two years, the bulk of his tenure.

 

[Zatara]

And it's that easy to just chop and change 60% of the starting xi is it?

The last two teams who tried that sort of revolution in a oner were Spurs and Liverpool. Both had terrible seasons both parted company with the manager who oversaw it Scabby lips and AVB.


You have no idea.

Southampton.

Can you stop trying to derail this thread please? Thats 8 posts already in here adding nothing to the discussion...its obvious wumming.

 

[davek]

Everyone with a bit of nouse whose been on the forum more than a few months knows exactly what Dave is doing mate, it's a free world and stuff - my only annoyance is some good points he makes do get lost in the hyperbole/pantomine of the situation though which is a shame

Why not address the issue rather than play the man? Not just you but the other cry babies here who wont face the reality of where we are.

 

[Ernie]

What happens if they don't like the next manager mate do we pamper to the players again,we need to back the manager and start shifting players out if that is the problem
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The players are king mate, If you can't get a tune out of them you are screwed

 

[ianefc]

Why not address the issue rather than play the man? Not just you but the other cry babies here who wont face the reality of where we are.

@The Esk

 

[Zatara]

A solitary win since September 17th. Manager looking less than a great fit, personality wise, and making a lot of off the cuff comments. A team now looking like it's lost the plot.

I look across the first team and bench and see cause for concern: a GK who knows he's under scrutiny; a captain who looks like he's lost discipline on and off the pitch; the ongoing festering boil that is the McCarthy situation; Lukaku making it known he's relieved on international duty to be playing with players up and around him; Mirallas and Deulofeu looking like they are bit part players and heading for the door; Barkley finding himself the unwanted centre of attention and target for the media.

The team have been questioned again this week about their intensity by Koeman - who also let slip midweek he hoped for four replacements for them in January. Next up is a tough grudge match away to S'ton whose players will be fired up and then 5 tough games on the spin after that culminating on Boxing Day away to Leicester. I cant see the type of fight here with this team that we could envisage picking up more than 5 points. The lack of reaction after the Chelsea mauling was shocking, and that's the best chance we'll have of nailed on three points out the window for some time to come. I hope in private they're sorting this out and that the manager is accepting that he too needs to up his game, because that dressing room can be pretty volatile. Once its lost it's lost for good. They dont do it in public, they make the anodyne comments - all the right noises about doing their 'level best' and 'dont know where it's going wrong' etc, but they know how to 'work to rule' and slip into a crisis mode very quickly.

This upcoming Southampton game will be enormous IMO.

Can you (or anyone else) highlight a game where we have had an unfavourable result this season and Koeman has not blamed the players?

Literally every single game he blames the players...if i had a manager like that and was on £50k+++ id probably switch off too.

 

[davek]

Lots of good points here
There is nothing to suggest after 12 games we look anywhere near good enough to string a run together and the upcoming games make for grim reading, Like you have said, Swansea at home is as easy as it gets and we struggled to a late draw, Just as we faulted against Bournemouth and Burnley
Have a feeling a lot of the players are already sick of Koeman, You only have to look at his track record with upsetting players to see he's a very poor man manager, They look uninterested and hardly any of them are putting in a shift

This is my concern. I can see the bulk of these players still here next season and he needs to sort this asap or they;ll sort him.

That's my point in this thread. He has to learn to cajole and accommodate them because sure as eggs are eggs - and despite all the talk of cash available for new signings - he's going to have to play many of them whilst getting rid of aces in the pack like Lukaku.

 

[nsno-chris]

Remember the guff we had to put up with over the last 2 season, the king of spin

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/evertons-best-domestic-cup-season-for-32-years.85148/

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/halfway-point-of-the-season.82146

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/evertons-second-half-of-the-season-to-date.86128