Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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ultra said:
Don't tease us mate - we don't know what you look like! Lol
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Sneak preview, just for you Ultra.

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Dymak said:
I've made this point already, but having read the Martinez replacement thread it compels me to make it again. The likes of Spurs and the RS sack their managers because they believe 7th place isn't good enough. This is what big clubs with ambition do. Whereas Everton seem to have difficulty deciding whether 14th place is good enough, and there is a very real possibility that our grossly underachieving manager may be given yet another season to massively underachieve once more.

I have spent my entire life arguing with people until I am blue in the face that Everton are a big club, at school,at Uni at work. I'm not sure if I can do it anymore, because we just don't act like a big club. We have no ambition, and seem more concerned about being 'nice people' than we do with winning.

Spurs and the RS aren't even top tier clubs, they are second tier clubs, and we are way behind them in every possible way. Our peers are now Palace, West Brom, and Swansea. But even Swansea had the balls to sack a manager who actually had their best win ratio in the Premier League! I really hope Moshiri has an actual plan to change things at Everton, because we have been so far off the pace for so long now.
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Great post mate
 

Dymak said:
I've made this point already, but having read the Martinez replacement thread it compels me to make it again. The likes of Spurs and the RS sack their managers because they believe 7th place isn't good enough. This is what big clubs with ambition do. Whereas Everton seem to have difficulty deciding whether 14th place is good enough, and there is a very real possibility that our grossly underachieving manager may be given yet another season to massively underachieve once more.

I have spent my entire life arguing with people until I am blue in the face that Everton are a big club, at school,at Uni at work. I'm not sure if I can do it anymore, because we just don't act like a big club. We have no ambition, and seem more concerned about being 'nice people' than we do with winning.

Spurs and the RS aren't even top tier clubs, they are second tier clubs, and we are way behind them in every possible way. Our peers are now Palace, West Brom, and Swansea. But even Swansea had the balls to sack a manager who actually had their best win ratio in the Premier League! I really hope Moshiri has an actual plan to change things at Everton, because we have been so far off the pace for so long now.
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Dymak said:
I've made this point already, but having read the Martinez replacement thread it compels me to make it again. The likes of Spurs and the RS sack their managers because they believe 7th place isn't good enough. This is what big clubs with ambition do. Whereas Everton seem to have difficulty deciding whether 14th place is good enough, and there is a very real possibility that our grossly underachieving manager may be given yet another season to massively underachieve once more.

I have spent my entire life arguing with people until I am blue in the face that Everton are a big club, at school,at Uni at work. I'm not sure if I can do it anymore, because we just don't act like a big club. We have no ambition, and seem more concerned about being 'nice people' than we do with winning.

Spurs and the RS aren't even top tier clubs, they are second tier clubs, and we are way behind them in every possible way. Our peers are now Palace, West Brom, and Swansea. But even Swansea had the balls to sack a manager who actually had their best win ratio in the Premier League! I really hope Moshiri has an actual plan to change things at Everton, because we have been so far off the pace for so long now.
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Spot on mate.

Even now the club are potentially in a 'win the fa cup, one more season' type of place with martinez which would be fine if it wasn't for the poor league form.

If we were sat 10th or 9th with a semi final to play that is a massively different situation than 14th and looking at 16th. I said it the other day, if our only 9 wins were spread between clubs, an arsenal/west ham/chelsea/stoke/west brom etc then it would reflect that on our day we can beat teams in the league which again is a basis compared to over half the wins coming against teams not in the division in a month or so.

Losing significant leads over and over again and struggling to beat teams even around us, never mind above us is just poor management at the end of the day. you expect to be beating teams with 2 goals and 15 minutes on the clock, you expect to be winning games when scoring in added time. I mean saturday just gone we did it in the first half injury time ffs!

but you are spot on about ambition. This is exactly what the club needs now, because we sure as hell haven't shown any ambition since the 80's. actually try and raise the bar a little, aim for a manager who isn't Eddie Howe or relegated, back them with money to buy better quality of players for their team and then hope it all comes off. Worst case scenario is we go back to being 14th in the league, best case, we are getting that 'top 4 trophy' that we are getting further away from.
 

Dymak said:
I've made this point already, but having read the Martinez replacement thread it compels me to make it again. The likes of Spurs and the RS sack their managers because they believe 7th place isn't good enough. This is what big clubs with ambition do. Whereas Everton seem to have difficulty deciding whether 14th place is good enough, and there is a very real possibility that our grossly underachieving manager may be given yet another season to massively underachieve once more.

I have spent my entire life arguing with people until I am blue in the face that Everton are a big club, at school,at Uni at work. I'm not sure if I can do it anymore, because we just don't act like a big club. We have no ambition, and seem more concerned about being 'nice people' than we do with winning.

Spurs and the RS aren't even top tier clubs, they are second tier clubs, and we are way behind them in every possible way. Our peers are now Palace, West Brom, and Swansea. But even Swansea had the balls to sack a manager who actually had their best win ratio in the Premier League! I really hope Moshiri has an actual plan to change things at Everton, because we have been so far off the pace for so long now.
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An ambitious club wouldn't have hired Martinez (seriously what was the criteria? Young and available in the NW? Once he was in place I backed him but the shortlist for what is one of the biggest jobs in English football was utterly embarrassing, as was the final appointment).

An ambitious club would not have tolerated last season either. Like you said though the 'Everton way' now seems to be about not looking like a kopite and getting neutrals to like us. Funnily enough that's not what the club founders put in Latin on the badge is it. The real 'Everton way' is right there for everyone to see. It is the way of a league high number of firsts, smashing transfer records to widespread derision from everyone else, firing managers in the back of taxis, throwing cushions, annoying top German managers with our physicality, selling our top scorer because we came second for the good of the team then winning the title next year, it's daubing paint on walls and flying banners at matches when it is simply not good enough. None of these things are or were kopite, they were what made us the best.

Now we have a large portion of the fan base almost allergic to any tangible success who would prefer to revel in mediocrity with the odd bit of media adulation for developing a player for a top club to buy, or for a few games of pretty football (that didn't yield results). This is not what Everton is but sadly a lot of fans are now used to it and quite like it. You only have to look at posters who don't like the thought of Mourinho as manager because of his PR and style of football. Contrast that to an Everton board bringing Catterick in to win things because they were fed up of entertaining but not winning.

Having a top manager, buying top players for proper money, and competing for league titles are seemingly very unpleasant thoughts for some people on here. The mind boggles.
 
Saint Domingo said:
An ambitious club wouldn't have hired Martinez (seriously what was the criteria? Young and available in the NW? Once he was in place I backed him but the shortlist for what is one of the biggest jobs in English football was utterly embarrassing, as was the final appointment).

An ambitious club would not have tolerated last season either. Like you said though the 'Everton way' now seems to be about not looking like a kopite and getting neutrals to like us. Funnily enough that's not what the club founders put in Latin on the badge is it. The real 'Everton way' is right there for everyone to see. It is the way of a league high number of firsts, smashing transfer records to widespread derision from everyone else, firing managers in the back of taxis, throwing cushions, annoying top German managers with our physicality, selling our top scorer because we came second for the good of the team then winning the title next year, it's daubing paint on walls and flying banners at matches when it is simply not good enough. None of these things are or were kopite, they were what made us the best.

Now we have a large portion of the fan base almost allergic to any tangible success who would prefer to revel in mediocrity with the odd bit of media adulation for developing a player for a top club to buy, or for a few games of pretty football (that didn't yield results). This is not what Everton is but sadly a lot of fans are now used to it and quite like it. You only have to look at posters who don't like the thought of Mourinho as manager because of his PR and style of football. Contrast that to an Everton board bringing Catterick in to win things because they were fed up of entertaining but not winning.

Having a top manager, buying top players for proper money, and competing for league titles are seemingly very unpleasant thoughts for some people on here. The mind boggles.
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I don't particularly like mourinho, but that's a V.good post!
 

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