Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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The fans and players will get the manager sacked, it's started now, nailed on to be bottom half this season, if we win the F.A Cup it may save him, but I can't see even a cup win after 20 years appeasing the majority of those who want him out.

I'd love us to win the F.A Cup, I want nothing more at this time, but if that means we have another season going the way we have been, then I couldn't really enjoy a cup win, that's what Martinez has done to us, make us think don't win the cup because it might mean he stays, sad times.
 
The Mighty Quint said:
The fans and players will get the manager sacked, it's started now, nailed on to be bottom half this season, if we win the F.A Cup it may save him, but I can't see even a cup win after 20 years appeasing the majority of those who want him out.

I'd love us to win the F.A Cup, I want nothing more at this time, but if that means we have another season going the way we have been, then I couldn't really enjoy a cup win, that's what Martinez has done to us, make us think don't win the cup because it might mean he stays, sad times.
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To be honest if we won the cup then I'd pipe down personally until the bad results kicked in next season. Be pointless debating the manager at the point we won't be leaving anytime soon.

Considering we haven't best any team in it so far that's left, winning a cup is not as straight forward as it seems. The sad but is if we don't them 5 years down the line we will be saying remember when that was the semi, we had these players and still came away with nothing? Kinda like West ham years ago...
 
Woolly Blue said:
Zat

The "cutting costs" thing is an urban myth. What actually happened was that Whelan refused to keep increasing the wage bill, so the effect of that was that Wigan's wage bill remained broadly static, meaning they'd slowly drift back behind the pack.
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If those wage bills are accurate (which I'm sure they are) he was actually given a sizeable additional chunk in the season he relegated them.
 

14th to 16th place especially is not mid table, which is where we will be if we fail to take points from struggling Palace.
 
Woolly Blue said:
The team will get all the support they need for the semi mate.

You have much more knowledge of players and managers in the world than I have, but I've seen a lot of Everton managers come and go, and, baring a minor miracle, Martinez will be joining the lists of Bingham, Lee and, though it pains me to say it, Harvey. They all had half decent records at some time in their managerial careers at Everton, but, like Martinez, ultimately, they flattered to deceive. Martinez has had nigh on three seasons now, and we've had one good season in the league, and two poor ones.

He might have got away with that under the old regime, but I can't see him getting away with it now.
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Harvey was the one that really stung to see him fail mate for me, seeing martinez fail will not even register compared to that, saying that the way Big Joe left also was a million times more saddening for me as well

Far as Martinez goes, he showed what was possible in that first season due to a combination of cicumstances, since then he has shown what he is capable of and that is not good enough, highlighted by the vastly superior job Pocchetini has done with less resources and less time at Spurs and that ranieri has done to totally expose the myth you can't break the monopoly of the money clubs
 

I do not see why if we win the cup we cannot sack him in the summer, seems reasonable to me.
Cup victory should not be a hiding place, great if we win it but does`nt change a thing about Martinez.
I would can him now have done with it, think our chances of a cup win would be improved without him
 
JJK said:
God help us if he's still in charge next season when he deems a pathetic 1-1 draw with Watford, who haven't won a game since the start of February, as a "strong result".
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Short of leading the players up to the away section to take a collective bow, this is possibly the next most cringiest thing he could've done/said.

That turd must be sparkling by now.
 
Woolly Blue said:
Naw, that's not right.

Although Niasse at first glance looks a poor signing, noone could really argue that money he spent on Lukaku and McCarthy was wasted. Mori doesn't look like a waste of money either.
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McCarthy and Mori look to be worth what we paid for them IMO - not great not bad, competent premier level players for a team with top 6 aspirations

Lukaku obviously is the gem he has bought

Everyone else is a mix of potential (Deulofeu, Besic) and look to be bargains atm or have been shown to be not worth the wages
 

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