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No mate. The performance against United was utterly shocking, looked like a group of people that had never met each other, likewise against Arsenal. Horrible performances like that have been a regular occurrence this season as well
The performance against united wasn't "utterly shocking" we were the better team. Granted United were [Poor language removed], but it was another game where i was left thinking "how the [Poor language removed] did we lose that game"
 

You seem to be confusing bad performances with bad results. We have been extremely unlucky this season and have played very well in a lot of our defeats. You're acting like we've played terrible in every game for the past few months, which just isn't true. The Chelsea game in the cup was an outstanding performance. Personally our performances have warranted probably an extra 15 points in the league, but it's the lapse in concentration from the players and not the "playing style" of Martinez that has cost us in most games.

That Chelsea game was ending a bore 0-0 draw until the big man scored,outstanding it definitely wasn't.
 
One of my mates pointed out something great to me yesterday. He said that if it was us at the top of the league instead of Leicester, it wouldn't be too surprising because we have a squad that could do something like that.

Yet WBA are above us.
 
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...leighton-baines-wasnt-misinterpreted-11151658

Everton's Leighton Baines wasn't misinterpreted and shouldn't apologise as Martinez plays the blame game
David Prentice on why Roberto Martinez is wrong to point the finger at Leighton Baines and the Echo
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Roberto Martinez speaks to Leighton Baines.
Roberto Martinez has blamed referees this season, he has blamed bad luck and he has blamed his players – now it appears to be our turn.

Leighton Baines delivered a typically honest assessment of Everton's insipid defeat at Old Trafford on Sunday .

“I just don't feel as though the chemistry is quite there with the team on the pitch at the moment, and it hasn't been for a while,” he said.

The Echo's headline was hardly misleading: “Chemistry not there – and hasn't been for a while.”

Baines added: “We are maybe leaning too heavily on individuals to come up with something.

“We're in games, we were in the game on Sunday and had a couple of chances, but we're not performing as a team to the level we know we can or we should be. Results have an impact on that because chemistry and confidence go hand in hand.

“Look at the teams who are having success this year and you'd say they have chemistry.

“If I had to say one thing, I just don't know if it's there with us at the moment, for whatever reasons.”

The comments weren't analysed. They weren't “interpreted” by us. They were delivered as an accurate representation of an honest footballer's thoughts following another disappointing defeat.

Yet Roberto Martinez declared today that Leighton Baines has been “misinterpreted” – and has “apologised”.



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Leighton Baines in action at Old Trafford


These are Martinez's words – produced verbatim to avoid confusion

“I think there are two aspects of that. First it's very disappointing when you see a misinterpretation of certain words that a player says and really this has been taken out of context in the way that it's come out.

“And the other aspect is that someone of the experience of Leighton Baines knows he has to take responsibility for those words – I have had a chat with him – those words have given the opportunity to be maybe attracting a meaning that is not right, not correct and obviously for that he has apologised and taken responsibility for that for leaving those words open.

“But that's what we expect from a senior figure at Everton, we expect him to take responsibility, to make sure that we speak on the pitch and the way to do that is against Watford.

“I wouldn't say we rely on one or two individuals, I think the way we are as a team we rely on the technical ability of the whole team, the way that we can get high up the pitch and create chances.

"The place to talk is on the pitch" - Martinez
"I don't think we are a team that relies on one or two individuals. Of course we rely on individuals because the team is made of individuals and we have 15 or 16 individuals who have had impressive campaigns, probably the best campaigns of their young careers in some cases.



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Roberto Martinez (R) Manager of Everton passes the ball to Leighton Baines (L) at Carrow Road


“But those quotes have been taken out of context and that's disappointing on one side but on the other side obviously Leighton takes responsibility for putting himself in a position which has given the wrong words and allowed the wrong interpretation and for that, as I said, he has apologised and is ready to move forward. And as any senior player the place to talk is on the pitch.”

So what was the “misinterpretation?”

Clearly a lack of “chemistry” amongst a group of players reflects badly on a manager.

"Is there chemistry? If so it's not being reflected on the pitch" - Prentice
Did Baines choose the wrong word? If so, he did so three times.

Did we “misinterpret” Baines? Have our readers “misinterpreted” Baines' meaning?

Or is Roberto Martinez seeking another avenue to apportion blame?

Is there chemistry on the pitch? If so it is not being reflected in Premier League results.



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Leighton Baines


So many questions, but we can safely assume that Leighton Baines will probably not be made available for interview to answer them on Saturday at Vicarage Road.

Martinez added: “We have a very close group. We know each other. We have been through many many situations over the years now. We are developing a really strong mentality and I don't think that's going to be tested by comments in the outside.

“We are always quite open and always very clear but it's important for our fans more than anything to understand that certain words can be taken out of context.



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Leighton Baines and Aaron Lennon come out for the warm up before the Premier League match between Manchester United


"In the same way that Leighton has apologized for leaving that open and the fans know that an outstanding group of top ambassadors for our football club are not performing well or getting the results for this football club and that's something we want to change quickly.”

So what was the actual “context” Baines' words were taken out of?

Everton correspondent Phil Kirkbride spoke to Baines in a tunnel at Old Trafford.

He asked: “Is it difficult not just to look at the semi-final as the season now and is it difficult to, I don't want to say is it difficult to motivate yourselves for league games, but the season is effectively the semi now isn't it?



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Everton's Leighton Baines


Baines replied: “It is yeah, but the motivation should be in trying to get your name there for it, shouldn't it? It's like (pause of several seconds), I just think, you know, I don't know, I just don't feel like the chemistry is quite there on the pitch within the team at the moment and it hasn't been for a while. We are sort of leaning maybe a bit too heavily on individuals to come up with something.

“We're in games. We were in the game all the time today and had a couple of chances but we're not performing as a team to the level we know we can or we should be.”

Phil then added: “Talking about chemistry do you sense that around in the week or is it just when you get on the pitch recently it's just not clicking?”



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Leighton Baines: always honest and candid


Baines added: “I think it's the start and obviously results have an impact on that because chemistry and confidence can go hand in hand in a way. You start winning games. I mean look at the teams who are having success this year. You would say they've got chemistry, you know?

“If I had to say one thing it would be, I don't know if it's there at the moment for whatever reason.”



All commendably honest and candid. All accurately reported.

Yet Baines, we are told, has apologised.

That's disappointing. Baines has been “misinterpreted” before. A typically honest interview he gave cost him his place at a World Cup in South Africa.

But we don't believe he has been on this occasion.



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Has Romelu Lukaku been made to apologise?


Perhaps there should have been other apologies forthcoming.

From Romelu Lukaku for undermining his team-mates by saying “it would be nice to play in the Champions League from next season.” Clearly that won't be with Everton.

From Roberto Martinez for the worst run of home results in living memory.

Or is it, as often seems to be the case from managers under pressure, someone else's fault?
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...leighton-baines-wasnt-misinterpreted-11151658

Everton's Leighton Baines wasn't misinterpreted and shouldn't apologise as Martinez plays the blame game
David Prentice on why Roberto Martinez is wrong to point the finger at Leighton Baines and the Echo
JS79104273.jpg

Roberto Martinez speaks to Leighton Baines.
Roberto Martinez has blamed referees this season, he has blamed bad luck and he has blamed his players – now it appears to be our turn.

Leighton Baines delivered a typically honest assessment of Everton's insipid defeat at Old Trafford on Sunday .

“I just don't feel as though the chemistry is quite there with the team on the pitch at the moment, and it hasn't been for a while,” he said.

The Echo's headline was hardly misleading: “Chemistry not there – and hasn't been for a while.”

Baines added: “We are maybe leaning too heavily on individuals to come up with something.

“We're in games, we were in the game on Sunday and had a couple of chances, but we're not performing as a team to the level we know we can or we should be. Results have an impact on that because chemistry and confidence go hand in hand.

“Look at the teams who are having success this year and you'd say they have chemistry.

“If I had to say one thing, I just don't know if it's there with us at the moment, for whatever reasons.”

The comments weren't analysed. They weren't “interpreted” by us. They were delivered as an accurate representation of an honest footballer's thoughts following another disappointing defeat.

Yet Roberto Martinez declared today that Leighton Baines has been “misinterpreted” – and has “apologised”.



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Leighton Baines in action at Old Trafford


These are Martinez's words – produced verbatim to avoid confusion

“I think there are two aspects of that. First it's very disappointing when you see a misinterpretation of certain words that a player says and really this has been taken out of context in the way that it's come out.

“And the other aspect is that someone of the experience of Leighton Baines knows he has to take responsibility for those words – I have had a chat with him – those words have given the opportunity to be maybe attracting a meaning that is not right, not correct and obviously for that he has apologised and taken responsibility for that for leaving those words open.

“But that's what we expect from a senior figure at Everton, we expect him to take responsibility, to make sure that we speak on the pitch and the way to do that is against Watford.

“I wouldn't say we rely on one or two individuals, I think the way we are as a team we rely on the technical ability of the whole team, the way that we can get high up the pitch and create chances.

"The place to talk is on the pitch" - Martinez
"I don't think we are a team that relies on one or two individuals. Of course we rely on individuals because the team is made of individuals and we have 15 or 16 individuals who have had impressive campaigns, probably the best campaigns of their young careers in some cases.



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Roberto Martinez (R) Manager of Everton passes the ball to Leighton Baines (L) at Carrow Road


“But those quotes have been taken out of context and that's disappointing on one side but on the other side obviously Leighton takes responsibility for putting himself in a position which has given the wrong words and allowed the wrong interpretation and for that, as I said, he has apologised and is ready to move forward. And as any senior player the place to talk is on the pitch.”

So what was the “misinterpretation?”

Clearly a lack of “chemistry” amongst a group of players reflects badly on a manager.

"Is there chemistry? If so it's not being reflected on the pitch" - Prentice
Did Baines choose the wrong word? If so, he did so three times.

Did we “misinterpret” Baines? Have our readers “misinterpreted” Baines' meaning?

Or is Roberto Martinez seeking another avenue to apportion blame?

Is there chemistry on the pitch? If so it is not being reflected in Premier League results.



JS69729426.jpg

Leighton Baines


So many questions, but we can safely assume that Leighton Baines will probably not be made available for interview to answer them on Saturday at Vicarage Road.

Martinez added: “We have a very close group. We know each other. We have been through many many situations over the years now. We are developing a really strong mentality and I don't think that's going to be tested by comments in the outside.

“We are always quite open and always very clear but it's important for our fans more than anything to understand that certain words can be taken out of context.



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Leighton Baines and Aaron Lennon come out for the warm up before the Premier League match between Manchester United


"In the same way that Leighton has apologized for leaving that open and the fans know that an outstanding group of top ambassadors for our football club are not performing well or getting the results for this football club and that's something we want to change quickly.”

So what was the actual “context” Baines' words were taken out of?

Everton correspondent Phil Kirkbride spoke to Baines in a tunnel at Old Trafford.

He asked: “Is it difficult not just to look at the semi-final as the season now and is it difficult to, I don't want to say is it difficult to motivate yourselves for league games, but the season is effectively the semi now isn't it?



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Everton's Leighton Baines


Baines replied: “It is yeah, but the motivation should be in trying to get your name there for it, shouldn't it? It's like (pause of several seconds), I just think, you know, I don't know, I just don't feel like the chemistry is quite there on the pitch within the team at the moment and it hasn't been for a while. We are sort of leaning maybe a bit too heavily on individuals to come up with something.

“We're in games. We were in the game all the time today and had a couple of chances but we're not performing as a team to the level we know we can or we should be.”

Phil then added: “Talking about chemistry do you sense that around in the week or is it just when you get on the pitch recently it's just not clicking?”



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Leighton Baines: always honest and candid


Baines added: “I think it's the start and obviously results have an impact on that because chemistry and confidence can go hand in hand in a way. You start winning games. I mean look at the teams who are having success this year. You would say they've got chemistry, you know?

“If I had to say one thing it would be, I don't know if it's there at the moment for whatever reason.”



All commendably honest and candid. All accurately reported.

Yet Baines, we are told, has apologised.

That's disappointing. Baines has been “misinterpreted” before. A typically honest interview he gave cost him his place at a World Cup in South Africa.

But we don't believe he has been on this occasion.



JS86466550.jpg

Has Romelu Lukaku been made to apologise?


Perhaps there should have been other apologies forthcoming.

From Romelu Lukaku for undermining his team-mates by saying “it would be nice to play in the Champions League from next season.” Clearly that won't be with Everton.

From Roberto Martinez for the worst run of home results in living memory.

Or is it, as often seems to be the case from managers under pressure, someone else's fault?

Someone phone the coastguard a brown shoed gentleman is drowning
 
Martinez added: “We have a very close group. We know each other. We have been through many many situations over the years now. We are developing a really strong mentality and I don't think that's going to be tested by comments in the outside."

The evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. The exact opposite of a strong mentality. Sounds like when wenger tells everyone Arsenal are tough then they fold AGAIN. Leicester have a strong mentality, the old Man Utd had a strong mentality. We're weak as cheap lager out the lidl.
 
That Chelsea game was ending a bore 0-0 draw until the big man scored,outstanding it definitely wasn't.
maybe not attacking-wise, but the players were really up for that game, Coleman putting in crunching tackles, fighting for every ball, they didn't give Chelsea a second on the ball, those are the kind of games the fans can really get behind the team, especially when you're playing a team like Chelsea. For the life of me, I can't understand why they couldn't replicate that the next week against Arsenal. Totally different attitude.
 

Except he didn't say all that did he. I understand what people think of the manager but why pretend a player said things he didn't. Doesn't change the argument one way or another

Baines said the team lacks chemistry, yes he did say that. Looking at the last 12 months or so it looks like the players have no 'chemistry', for me I think its because the team don't enjoy doing what Martinez wants them to do - playing side to side slow build up with no drive or direction.

I think Baines may have basically just said what everyone can see or what everyone is thinking.
 
Why? His quotes if you read them are aimed at the players. He will have apologised to them I'm pretty sure.

And somehow the entire rest of the world disagrees with you. Not that you are listening, of course.

You've said he might of upset the players and apologised to both them and Bobby. I'm saying he's not had to apologise to the players cause they agree with him. He told the truth mate and it has set him free.

That's your opinion, however I perceived a different message behind the scenes due to words chosen, tone of voice and body language.

Expect to take responsibility... words that 'may not be right'.... explaining how he should speak on the pitch... stressing his experience...

If it were a misunderstanding of words then why not stress what Baines actually meany? Why not get Baines himself to clarify his opinion?

To me, he was critical that Baines had spoken out out of turn and that Martinez disagrees with what was said. Lots of others do not though.

I think this is the most bemused I've ever been to an Everton managers comment.

I expected evasiveness or a tad reaffirming of comments...

A staunch defence and making Everton's most senior, respected pro look like a prat... Well.

'Baines' is a UK twitter trend because of it and well, that leads to the media taking note...



Looks like honesty is banned at Everton now then. Can't be having any bad words said about glorious Roberto and his magnicent 12th placed blues.

Oh dear everyone is onto his comments in tbe press now. Even Paddy Power are at it.

How long until Martinez says his comment was misquoted? lol lol

United nailed on, but we won't have a problem attracting managers.

Point is, he's now totally finished after hanging Baines out to dry for what was common sense and obvious honesty. He needs binning immediately - if he lasts the week the board are a disgrace.

Getting Baines to apologise, that's another nail in his coffin.

He's got nothing to apologise for.

This wont go down well.
Baines pretty much gave up his dream move (at the time) to UTD out of respect for loyalty to the club, Bill Kenwright and the new manager at the time, Martinez. Yes he got rewarded with a contract but he didn't have too stay. He could have forced the move.

I would be absolutely fuming if I was Baines. To be thrown under the bus like this is unacceptable, especially as he has been playing through pain for the manager and team this year.

Bill wont like this at all to be fair; the players love Bill and he loves the players.

I said at the beginning of the week, its the beginning of the end for Martinez. This is him in self preservation mode.

Simply pathetic behaviour to have one of your most senior, respected, well liked professionals apologise for press comments. Does Rom and Kev apologise every time they come back from Belgium?

The dressing room will feel this as will the board room.

Prenno has responded!!

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...leighton-baines-wasnt-misinterpreted-11151658


On my phone so can't quote all article sorry.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...leighton-baines-wasnt-misinterpreted-11151658

Everton's Leighton Baines wasn't misinterpreted and shouldn't apologise as Martinez plays the blame game
David Prentice on why Roberto Martinez is wrong to point the finger at Leighton Baines and the Echo
JS79104273.jpg

Roberto Martinez speaks to Leighton Baines.
Roberto Martinez has blamed referees this season, he has blamed bad luck and he has blamed his players – now it appears to be our turn.

Leighton Baines delivered a typically honest assessment of Everton's insipid defeat at Old Trafford on Sunday .

“I just don't feel as though the chemistry is quite there with the team on the pitch at the moment, and it hasn't been for a while,” he said.

The Echo's headline was hardly misleading: “Chemistry not there – and hasn't been for a while.”

Baines added: “We are maybe leaning too heavily on individuals to come up with something.

“We're in games, we were in the game on Sunday and had a couple of chances, but we're not performing as a team to the level we know we can or we should be. Results have an impact on that because chemistry and confidence go hand in hand.

“Look at the teams who are having success this year and you'd say they have chemistry.

“If I had to say one thing, I just don't know if it's there with us at the moment, for whatever reasons.”

The comments weren't analysed. They weren't “interpreted” by us. They were delivered as an accurate representation of an honest footballer's thoughts following another disappointing defeat.

Yet Roberto Martinez declared today that Leighton Baines has been “misinterpreted” – and has “apologised”.



JS86474554.jpg

Leighton Baines in action at Old Trafford


These are Martinez's words – produced verbatim to avoid confusion

“I think there are two aspects of that. First it's very disappointing when you see a misinterpretation of certain words that a player says and really this has been taken out of context in the way that it's come out.

“And the other aspect is that someone of the experience of Leighton Baines knows he has to take responsibility for those words – I have had a chat with him – those words have given the opportunity to be maybe attracting a meaning that is not right, not correct and obviously for that he has apologised and taken responsibility for that for leaving those words open.

“But that's what we expect from a senior figure at Everton, we expect him to take responsibility, to make sure that we speak on the pitch and the way to do that is against Watford.

“I wouldn't say we rely on one or two individuals, I think the way we are as a team we rely on the technical ability of the whole team, the way that we can get high up the pitch and create chances.

"The place to talk is on the pitch" - Martinez
"I don't think we are a team that relies on one or two individuals. Of course we rely on individuals because the team is made of individuals and we have 15 or 16 individuals who have had impressive campaigns, probably the best campaigns of their young careers in some cases.



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Roberto Martinez (R) Manager of Everton passes the ball to Leighton Baines (L) at Carrow Road


“But those quotes have been taken out of context and that's disappointing on one side but on the other side obviously Leighton takes responsibility for putting himself in a position which has given the wrong words and allowed the wrong interpretation and for that, as I said, he has apologised and is ready to move forward. And as any senior player the place to talk is on the pitch.”

So what was the “misinterpretation?”

Clearly a lack of “chemistry” amongst a group of players reflects badly on a manager.

"Is there chemistry? If so it's not being reflected on the pitch" - Prentice
Did Baines choose the wrong word? If so, he did so three times.

Did we “misinterpret” Baines? Have our readers “misinterpreted” Baines' meaning?

Or is Roberto Martinez seeking another avenue to apportion blame?

Is there chemistry on the pitch? If so it is not being reflected in Premier League results.



JS69729426.jpg

Leighton Baines


So many questions, but we can safely assume that Leighton Baines will probably not be made available for interview to answer them on Saturday at Vicarage Road.

Martinez added: “We have a very close group. We know each other. We have been through many many situations over the years now. We are developing a really strong mentality and I don't think that's going to be tested by comments in the outside.

“We are always quite open and always very clear but it's important for our fans more than anything to understand that certain words can be taken out of context.



JS86460778.jpg

Leighton Baines and Aaron Lennon come out for the warm up before the Premier League match between Manchester United


"In the same way that Leighton has apologized for leaving that open and the fans know that an outstanding group of top ambassadors for our football club are not performing well or getting the results for this football club and that's something we want to change quickly.”

So what was the actual “context” Baines' words were taken out of?

Everton correspondent Phil Kirkbride spoke to Baines in a tunnel at Old Trafford.

He asked: “Is it difficult not just to look at the semi-final as the season now and is it difficult to, I don't want to say is it difficult to motivate yourselves for league games, but the season is effectively the semi now isn't it?



JS82430716.jpg

Everton's Leighton Baines


Baines replied: “It is yeah, but the motivation should be in trying to get your name there for it, shouldn't it? It's like (pause of several seconds), I just think, you know, I don't know, I just don't feel like the chemistry is quite there on the pitch within the team at the moment and it hasn't been for a while. We are sort of leaning maybe a bit too heavily on individuals to come up with something.

“We're in games. We were in the game all the time today and had a couple of chances but we're not performing as a team to the level we know we can or we should be.”

Phil then added: “Talking about chemistry do you sense that around in the week or is it just when you get on the pitch recently it's just not clicking?”



JS75993785.jpg

Leighton Baines: always honest and candid


Baines added: “I think it's the start and obviously results have an impact on that because chemistry and confidence can go hand in hand in a way. You start winning games. I mean look at the teams who are having success this year. You would say they've got chemistry, you know?

“If I had to say one thing it would be, I don't know if it's there at the moment for whatever reason.”



All commendably honest and candid. All accurately reported.

Yet Baines, we are told, has apologised.

That's disappointing. Baines has been “misinterpreted” before. A typically honest interview he gave cost him his place at a World Cup in South Africa.

But we don't believe he has been on this occasion.



JS86466550.jpg

Has Romelu Lukaku been made to apologise?


Perhaps there should have been other apologies forthcoming.

From Romelu Lukaku for undermining his team-mates by saying “it would be nice to play in the Champions League from next season.” Clearly that won't be with Everton.

From Roberto Martinez for the worst run of home results in living memory.

Or is it, as often seems to be the case from managers under pressure, someone else's fault?

You're getting demolished here pal, and losing credibility with every second you stick to your guns..... much like your phenomenal manager.
 

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