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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
No mate, we cant go for 5th - we haven't got Moyes' magic beans to throw in the ground now and provide us with a defence.
ROFL.
And the 10 years prior to that all had us finishing in around 17th David.
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
...good example. They always run themselves into the ground trying to win that pot. It's like Hitler invading Russia 5 times and still not getting it.
At this point I would prolly prefer Hitler than Brown shoes.
You do appreciate the need for defensive organisation in order to stop leaking goals though?
My point being, whose responsibility is that? If we assume it's largely Martinez's, at what point do we say 'that's enough goals given away'?
He has the quality players, he has the 20+ goals striker, he even has a top notch defence. We should be higher than 12th - serious question: at what point will you say enough is enough?
Mind you, Hitler couldnt build a defence either.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
we have played 14 games since the new year dave, thats twice now you have altered the stats to make your argument slightly more favourable.
12 games 8 goals - in relaity 12 games 11 goals
15 games 15 goals - in reality 14 games 15 goals
other stats only 9 of them games where league games, we got 12 points from those games, 5 of those games in the league where at home, we won 1 drew 1 and lost 3 of those. so 4 points out of 5 games. 3 of those games we had clean sheets in happened to be the FA Cup games against teams who played their second 11 against us.
We have thrown away a 2 goal lead against west ham to lose 3-2, a 2-0 lead against chelsea to draw 3-3 and a 3-1 aggrgate lead against city to lose 4-3 and go out the cup during that period, but keep on fiddling nero
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I'm not celebrating it, I'm putting it into context. A disastrous defence that cant defend?
Saturday's fiasco aside, hardly a topical criticism.
Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
In one breath you criticise looking at previous seasons and then harp back to RM's first season a wee bit hypocritical there.
You say we are a middle table club but previously even you have said with our squad we should be a lot higher,which is it Dave and why cannot RM get this arguably our best squad since the 80's playing better.
In your last para you go back to his Wigan days FFS that is history but if you want to look back forget the FA trophy and look at their league performances currently our's seems pretty similar.
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Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £80m
Yeah let's ignore that Moyes effectively inherited a group of pub players and Rooney (who was then sold). He saved us from relegation in his first 9 games, took us to 7th in his first full season. Ok yes had a horrendous second season but at the time no one was even surprised given the state of the squad, we were never in any relegation trouble either. Then he took that motley crew to fourth (probably the greatest prem achievement up until Ranieri will surpass it this season). After that we levelled out as regular challengers for European qualification and he got us back to the latter stages of the FA cup again.
But yeah let's compare his 03/04 with Martinez's 14/15 because they're exactly the same aren't they. It's not as if one had a deep squad full of international talent and a 30 mill striker and the other had a relegation battled squad and zero money.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
He will still praise Martinez even we finish in 17th. It's better than 5th is it obviously?
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