GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
Moyes' defensive influence was still prevalent within the squad.
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Is it really unlucky though? I mean, it's not exactly unlikely that a 33 year old muck and nettles centre half who throws himself all over the place might pick up the odd injury is it? And yet the manager knowingly went in to the season without experienced back up. That was his choice, I thought it was a bad one at the time and I still do.
Not just a leader in defence a leader in the team someone who can get a hold of them.
It's scandalous that our best team in 20 odd years is languishing in mid table, in the most open premier league season yet. When teams like Tottenham are capitalising, with a squad id argue is very close, if not slightly poorer than ours. feel Bobby has to go.
jaycee
Player Valuation: £60m
I said in a previous post that the midfield is so easy to cut through,5players but only two will put a tackle in chase or harry the opposition, rather than a number 10"play maker" I'd rather go out and by a tough central player
On the whole I agree with @davek and i'm behind Martinez.
My main frustration - and it's the one that is now beginning to test the fan's patience on a whole I believe - is his stubborness and refusal to change things that obviously aren't working.
Our attacking play this season has been outstanding - and to be honest it's got to the point where that side of the game is down to the players.
IMO, this is how it should be. The manager should be responsible for the overall tactics and tweaks and changes throughout the game/training, obviously. Then, his priority should be defensive shape. The attacking play sorts it self out - as it is mostly down to improvisation and skill - something our players have in abundance.
Martinez is making himself look a fool at the minute, with his steadfast refusal to adapt his style of management to focus on our defence. Howard has to be dropped, but we all know that he won't be. Jags coming back hopefully adds more solidity, but that is no guarantee.
Give him until the end of the season to turn this around and fingers crossed this season, one way or another, won't be a waste. I'm still behind him, but yesterday is the first time the small doubts have become major for me.
My main frustration - and it's the one that is now beginning to test the fan's patience on a whole I believe - is his stubborness and refusal to change things that obviously aren't working.
Our attacking play this season has been outstanding - and to be honest it's got to the point where that side of the game is down to the players.
IMO, this is how it should be. The manager should be responsible for the overall tactics and tweaks and changes throughout the game/training, obviously. Then, his priority should be defensive shape. The attacking play sorts it self out - as it is mostly down to improvisation and skill - something our players have in abundance.
Martinez is making himself look a fool at the minute, with his steadfast refusal to adapt his style of management to focus on our defence. Howard has to be dropped, but we all know that he won't be. Jags coming back hopefully adds more solidity, but that is no guarantee.
Give him until the end of the season to turn this around and fingers crossed this season, one way or another, won't be a waste. I'm still behind him, but yesterday is the first time the small doubts have become major for me.
Watford, Spurs, Palace, Stoke and West Ham don't play hoof ball and I would rather be those sides right now.
I've been on and off with Martinez since he came but it's obvious he's not going to improve defensively as it's not his strength, likewise Moyes and Pulis are not gonna suddenly become all out attack minded managers. If your happy with the defensive set up then stick with Roberto but if your not don't expect it to change anytime soon.
I've been on and off with Martinez since he came but it's obvious he's not going to improve defensively as it's not his strength, likewise Moyes and Pulis are not gonna suddenly become all out attack minded managers. If your happy with the defensive set up then stick with Roberto but if your not don't expect it to change anytime soon.
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
If we win the league cup all he has to do is keep us up this season. Won't happen though, unless their is a humongous turn around. The last time we beat a team who were situated in the top half of the table on the day we played them was Manchester UTD 3-0 and to win the league cup we are gonna have to do it at least twice in the next 8 weeks, unless we win the semi and final on pens....which to be honest would do
Did you stop going when he became manager or has it been recent?
sageyefc
Player Valuation: £90m
Spurs have a better squad than ours
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
RE that top paragraph I wouldn't as we have better players then all of them. Just a worst manager, easily fixed for a board with ambition and a fan base with expectation.
We have alot of young players in the squad and a new defensive partnership. I agree with you that on paper we should be doing better but football isnt played on paper and young footballers wil make mistakes. Martinez has the challenge to find the right blend but in my opinion i would rather be trying to tweak this style than previous styles. Can he do it? I don't know but we should give him longer than two and a half seasons.
I am sure we will all be told that we can't expect to be beating these teams though and that we should be happy with 11th place...
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
TBH went to a few games 13/14 when we played winning football, last season ended me with him. But like many I'm fickle if we turn a massive corner or even perform what looks like a U-turn I'll be happy, not happening though as things stand.
I totally agree, he has made mistakes
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