John Stones transfer saga

[deipnosophist]

Say what?

what

 

[Moomin]

What does even £40m get us?

Spend £15m or so to get a proven Prem CB (who won't have as many years ahead of him) then maybe get 2 players for other positions who may or may not work out. We could end up stronger, but given the inflated values in the Prem that money either goes nowhere or it's spent on players from other leagues who present a risk.

We should have some money to spend as we're in the Prem. Every team is spending. We don't need to spend a fortune, we just need one more quality, playmaker type. Then another CB and possibly another striker (who could come on loan). If we have to sell Stones to do that then the board have sunk to new depths.

Spot on that.

We have been in this position before plenty of times with Moyes " Bloody get is dithering over transfers " people used to say.

If only he had been backed a little, not a lot and we might have pushed on to a champions league place.

Think Martinez will eventually get tempted so he is able to wheel and deal and bring in new players. Just a shame we have to sell our prized jewel.

 

[The Esk]

This is not about the value of John Stones now or in 12 months. It is all about the ambition of the Everton Board and the message that selling John Stones sends to an excellent bunch of young players that we have emerging at the club right now - lukaku, barkley, browning, galloway, ledson, dowell - to go down through the age groups. What selling John Stones says is that lads your agents might as well start planning your next move away from Everton cos the Board has shown such a lack of ambition that they'll sell the likes of a future leader as good as Labone or Ratcliffe way before he's matured for Everton or had a chance to become that leader.

Well said, totally agree.

 

[GoatJR]

Rio Ferdinand thinks it's better if he goes to Man United as he will get more game time there and would not be sitting on the bench at chelski, I can not face John being in the colour red and going to Man United.

Haha Dream on he's staying

"John is not for sale"

 

[Joey66]

I'm sure there is. Perhaps not one as classy or good on the ball, but there are other good CBs.

At the end of the day though, we should not need to sell, and Stones is not the type to kick up a stink.

So for me it'd have to be a mad bid. Is £30-40m mad? I don't think so. It's definitely a lot, but what I call mad is the £49m for Sterling or the £50m for David Luiz. And bear in mind Sterling kicked up a stink, and Chelsea weren't arsed about losing Luiz. Put a £50-60m price tag on his head, and then tell them to go pay it or stop bidding.

Yes but you have to account for wages in any deal which will supersede what John Stones has agreed now - Everton should up his wages after the 1st of September , as a loyalty payment like they did with Baines.
You do not let future world class players go not for sale is not for sale imo!

 

[GoatJR]

what

Off topic naughty boy.

What did u mean about the stats.

 

[milks]

there isnt one centre back we could buy who would be as good as stones is right now

I disagree.

I'm sure there is. Perhaps not one as classy or good on the ball, but there are other good CBs.

At the end of the day though, we should not need to sell, and Stones is not the type to kick up a stink.

So for me it'd have to be a mad bid. Is £30-40m mad? I don't think so. It's definitely a lot, but what I call mad is the £49m for Sterling or the £50m for David Luiz. And bear in mind Sterling kicked up a stink, and Chelsea weren't arsed about losing Luiz. Put a £50-60m price tag on his head, and then tell them to go pay it or stop bidding.

As cack as he may well bem the David Luiz fee would have been inflated due to the fact that he's a 'marquee' player - Stones may be a wonderful, wonderful prospect he just doesn't have the marketing gravitas currently.

I think £40m is a mad bid. The issue will always be how that money is used in such a short time by a manager with an interesting track record in buying defenders (Gary Caldwell?).

That said I agree 100% that we don't need to sell and that I can't see Stones rocking the boat. I hope.

 

[RFUS]

Something worth bearing in mind, to all those entertaining the notion of selling Stones and then playing Football Manager with the funds, is Gareth Bale.

Spurs got what? £80m? A few years ago too, when prices were less inflated than they are now (see: £25m for Ashley Williams!). And even to this day they have not reached the heights they had with him in the team.

True Stones is a CB, not a Bale type who can win you a game on his own, but no matter how much you get, when you sell a proven, ace player you are taking a risk.

 

[MichaelEFC96]

We'd be utterly stupid and crazy to sell him now.

 

[By god I'm blue]

This is not about the value of John Stones now or in 12 months. It is all about the ambition of the Everton Board and the message that selling John Stones sends to an excellent bunch of young players that we have emerging at the club right now - lukaku, barkley, browning, galloway, ledson, dowell - to go down through the age groups. What selling John Stones says is that lads your agents might as well start planning your next move away from Everton cos the Board has shown such a lack of ambition that they'll sell the likes of a future leader as good as Labone or Ratcliffe way before he's matured for Everton or had a chance to become that leader.

Not saying we should sell him, I was just giving my answer to a question somebody had posed. of course I agree with you, but money talks and every player has a price.

But, 40M is a collossal fee for a defender and one which not many clubs could afford to turn down if the player was happy to move.

 

[4737carlin]

I don't understand why Chelsea didn't just come in from the off with a big bid instead of messing about with silly ones, makes you wonder how committed they are to getting Stones? Maybe they know its not happening but are making it look good, like we did a few times in the past with nonsense bids for players we cant get to look good to the fans?

 

[neil999]

I'm sure there is. Perhaps not one as classy or good on the ball, but there are other good CBs.

At the end of the day though, we should not need to sell, and Stones is not the type to kick up a stink.

So for me it'd have to be a mad bid. Is £30-40m mad? I don't think so. It's definitely a lot, but what I call mad is the £49m for Sterling or the £50m for David Luiz. And bear in mind Sterling kicked up a stink, and Chelsea weren't arsed about losing Luiz. Put a £50-60m price tag on his head, and then tell them to go pay it or stop bidding.

there are ones out there, but not that would join us..all opinions tho

we have a spine of stones, mcarthy,barkley, lukaku presently...teams would kill for that

shame about the gk...

 

[milks]

Something worth bearing in mind, to all those entertaining the notion of selling Stones and then playing Football Manager with the funds, is Gareth Bale.

Spurs got what? £80m? A few years ago too, when prices were less inflated than they are now (see: £25m for Ashley Williams!). And even to this day they have not reached the heights they had with him in the team.

True Stones is a CB, not a Bale type who can win you a game on his own, but no matter how much you get, when you sell a proven, ace player you are taking a risk.

The fact that he's settled in the side and has a good partnership with Jagielka cannot be undervalued either.
Anyone coming in, ANYONE. Will not hit the ground running, it takes time to build a centre back relationship.

I think he's unbelievably good and gets better and better with experience. We're not in a position where we can be turning down silly money though - that's just the state of football.

 

[Joey66]

Well said, totally agree.

Yes spot on RM has just got 2 players who clubs were after in KM & JM ito sign ne contracts t would be suicide to contemplate letting Stone go now after stating repeatedly not for sale as the message to other youngsters is that's what I will play for a ticket out of this club - so spot on !
We do need to reward him if he stays by upping his wages though after Sept the 1st Like we did with Baines - reward Loyalty as the pressure from the media and the dirty tactics of Chelski players has been disgraceful!

 

[blueblue]

I don't believe that he will leave this window. I think he will leave in twelve months time. At that stage Galloway, Browning and maybe Pennington will be more experienced and any other centrehalf that we will sign in the next couple of weeks will have bedded in at the club.

Regarding Chelsea, Mourinho and Terry.
The media interpreted the substitution of Terry as a message to the owner that Chelsea needed to sign John Stones.
None of them mentioned that it was a message to Everton that Chelsea were desperate and just pushed up the price further by admitting there was a problem with how Terry played.

The window is also now really beginning to warm up. Everton have to date scornfully rejected three Chelsea bids , forget Everton for a second but can Chelsea afford to wait until the last minute to sign Stones. They cannot afford to wait another two weeks before making the next bid and there will be a next bid.