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I really dont know how you can stay postive. Lescott has handed in a transfer request. Our best 3 players are injured and our manager has said he NEEDS players and cant get them.
At which point do you decide that things arent perfect?
At which point do you decide that things arent perfect?
GhostOfDixie
Player Valuation: £70m
Well for me what is the point in ranting and raving, waving my hands around and going red in the face?
There is no point. Been there, didn't like it there, more to life than being angry.
I'm positive because my glass is half full, rather than half empty. I can see the players coming back from injury, I can see young talent coming through, I can see DK being sorted either way in September apparently, and that will have an impact on the sale of the club.
If we sell Lescott we get a massive cash profit on him, if we don't sell him well then we have a player who is an England International.
But also by the way, when is it ever perfect? Nothing is, that's why it's so compelling.
Probably a remarkably similar number of times to the 'if you're not complaining you're not a proper fan' (® KEIOC/market traders)
Makis
Player Valuation: £8m
That's not the point. I don't understand this, I should be red in the face if I'm unhappy of the situation? Can't I just be unhappy about it without that?
So let's rather talk about players we are never going to sign, then? Does that make you happy?
I can assure you im not waving my hands in the air and going red. Im just keeping it real. If you feel everything is wonderful, thats great im happy for you. Try not to infect me with your postive warm glow.
Its simples mate, all of the above are irrelevent the core and key factor is in fact Moyes and his back room staff, what has our success been built on individuals? No! Strength in depth? No! Having money to spend in the transfer market? No.
Its Moyes pure and simple, whatever pigs ear he is handed he wil make a slik purse out of it no doubt - he is key nothing else really, so i dont see the need to get stressed - especialy as the season hasnt started and none of the variables you have mentioned are definites yet, i can think of deeper and more complex holes Moyes has mastered, he is the telling factor nothing else. Anyway at the moment i feel the squad is strong enough.
I hear everyyear Moyes cant keep doing it - yet he continues to!
Still not worried.
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GhostOfDixie
Player Valuation: £70m
Well no not really. I remember in the 80's when Spurs thought they were signing Maradona, and then to not have that must have been soul destroying.
What makes me happy is that the Yak is back playing, that we have a Brazilian striker with a full positive pre-season behind him, that Arteta is back sooner rather than later. That Cahill is starting the season injury free, that we have very very promising young players coming through.
That what makes me happy.
I don't see the point in getting all upset about players we are not going to sign. Season after season we have been faced with the same rhetoric from the press, and every season we more or less deliver. For a club of our size (in terms of market value, reputation and spending power) we are the best club in the world, and we have the best manager in the world, with the best players in the world.
DK will be resolved and then as a club we will be better suited to a sale, at the moment we are not. Do you think Man City would have been bought if they were still at Maine Road?
Once that get's resolved and we do get bought, money will flow and then we can start thinking about taking that next step. But at the moment we are building an infrastructure from the Academy level up and it's working, it's working well.
That makes me happy.
and you can cheer up you miserable get.
SHAD URP!!
Being grumpy makes me happy.
Being grumpy makes me happy.
nesky
Player Valuation: £1.5m
Well no not really. I remember in the 80's when Spurs thought they were signing Maradona, and then to not have that must have been soul destroying.
What makes me happy is that the Yak is back playing, that we have a Brazilian striker with a full positive pre-season behind him, that Arteta is back sooner rather than later. That Cahill is starting the season injury free, that we have very very promising young players coming through.
That what makes me happy.
I don't see the point in getting all upset about players we are not going to sign. Season after season we have been faced with the same rhetoric from the press, and every season we more or less deliver. For a club of our size (in terms of market value, reputation and spending power) we are the best club in the world, and we have the best manager in the world, with the best players in the world.
DK will be resolved and then as a club we will be better suited to a sale, at the moment we are not. Do you think Man City would have been bought if they were still at Maine Road?
Once that get's resolved and we do get bought, money will flow and then we can start thinking about taking that next step. But at the moment we are building an infrastructure from the Academy level up and it's working, it's working well.
That makes me happy.
and you can cheer up you miserable get.
Good for you if you have such low standards and lack of ambition for your club (and I'm trying not to sound rude in saying so). But many of us are not so easily pleased and remember what it was like to be champions, so a total failure to strengthen the squad in the close season is for us totally unacceptable and merits a fuss being kicked up.
GhostOfDixie
Player Valuation: £70m
I'm not easily pleased at all. I'm far from delighted with the situation, but it's not the end of the world, and there are players on that pitch with exception of one, who would shed blood for the cause.
We all know the situation with the board, and we all know they can't give us millions to spend. That's just the way it is, it's nothing to do with Nil Satis Nisi Optimum, it's to do with financial restraints by the economic downturn and the fact we have an old stadium which is not going to attract investment.
It's going to cost £300m+ to buy Everton, do those sort of people grow on trees? Before we start with Pompey have been bought out loads of times, have they made any progress?
No, we have, and we haven't had the money.
Top 4 is not attainable for any team without the money or the influence. We have neither, we are unfashionable, nothing to do with low standards.
We were champions of a different league in a different time. It's not the same anymore.
Did you think we failed last season when we failed to strengthen?
We all know the situation with the board, and we all know they can't give us millions to spend. That's just the way it is, it's nothing to do with Nil Satis Nisi Optimum, it's to do with financial restraints by the economic downturn and the fact we have an old stadium which is not going to attract investment.
It's going to cost £300m+ to buy Everton, do those sort of people grow on trees? Before we start with Pompey have been bought out loads of times, have they made any progress?
No, we have, and we haven't had the money.
Top 4 is not attainable for any team without the money or the influence. We have neither, we are unfashionable, nothing to do with low standards.
We were champions of a different league in a different time. It's not the same anymore.
Did you think we failed last season when we failed to strengthen?
Give over. A ball hasn't even been kicked yet and you've written our season off
You'd think with the forum being searchable that people would refrain from making so many knee jerk reactions but they continue to trot out. Last summer was supposed to see us hit the buffers. When Yak got injured and we had no strikers likewise. Ditto when Arteta was crocked. Likewise every summer predictions of the Spendalot FC's marching to glory are made, and every summer they fail. When does it become time to learn from these lessons?Good for you if you have such little faith in our players and coaching staff but many of us remember those times when this current crop of players thrived through adversity and gave us our best season since the mid 80's. Life isn't a version of championship manager, you sometimes have to make the best with what you have. That's our reality and we work within that reality better than any club in the land.
Makis
Player Valuation: £8m
Only true for a few seasons. Have you already forgotten the 90's? THAT game? Or surviving thanks to a Gareth Farelly goal against Coventry? Watching the managers sign [Poor language removed] like Thomas and Blomqvist and countless others?
If Moyes left, how long before we would be back to the same? I give it three years. After that all the talent would have been swapped to cloggers.
GhostOfDixie
Player Valuation: £70m
Has Moyes left? Are we relegation fodder? Do we have [Poor language removed] players?
No, No, and No.
So stop inventing scenarios that are not happening at the moment.
nesky
Player Valuation: £1.5m
Fair enough, but I think the sore point for people like me is we find it hard to believe that the club doesn't have even a little money to spend on strengthening the squad. We finished 9 points behind Arsenal last season, despite a nightmare start and progressively losing the team's spine throughout the campaign. Granted, we went out of Europe early, which was arguably a help in the league campaign, but even so, 9 points doesn't seem an insurmountable gap with a little push on the transfer front.
Of course, I'm perhaps over simplifying things; for one Villa, City & Spurs will all be stronger in the new season. But surely we can muster the funds to even try to push on, if even a little?
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