Perspective

[GhostOfDixie]

Villa haven't strengthened, and I don't really think Spurs have that much.

Our club loses money through the stadium and by the fact that the majority of our market is based in low income area. Liverpool thrive because they are global, we are not.

Arsenal make millions from the stadium, and also millions from selling players. They are actually a selling club.

We are not. Villa sold Barry to fund Delph, so they are a selling club also.

 

[Rugby Toffee]

We all want the best , but in reality that isn't always possible. I have an ok girlfriend but can't help wanting the ferrari esq type. But I know my limits and am happy with her.
Our club n current players aren't a disaster waiting to happen.
So I will be fully behind the club through good and bad.....perhaps that is looking through blue tinted specs... but I am not deluded as some fans of other so called big clubs are.
We can only do the best we can with the best we have at our disposal at the time. Look at P'mouth , N'castle , Leeds etc.....I know where I would rather my club to be and it aint where they are.....COYB

 

[nesky]

Give over. A ball hasn't even been kicked yet and you've written our season off You'd think with the forum being searchable that people would refrain from making so many knee jerk reactions but they continue to trot out. Last summer was supposed to see us hit the buffers. When Yak got injured and we had no strikers likewise. Ditto when Arteta was crocked. Likewise every summer predictions of the Spendalot FC's marching to glory are made, and every summer they fail. When does it become time to learn from these lessons?

Good for you if you have such little faith in our players and coaching staff but many of us remember those times when this current crop of players thrived through adversity and gave us our best season since the mid 80's. Life isn't a version of championship manager, you sometimes have to make the best with what you have. That's our reality and we work within that reality better than any club in the land.

Ah, so we're going to always "punch above our weight" as long as Moyes is around? What about the season after we came 4th? People have a tendency to look at how things are at any given time and somehow imagine that's how they always will be. Basic sense and longstanding footballing history should tell you that a squad must be replenished regularly before it goes stale and regresses; that's the reality Everton had better start working within.

 

[Makis]

Has Moyes left? Are we relegation fodder? Do we have [Poor language removed] players?

No, No, and No.

So stop inventing scenarios that are not happening at the moment.

Well, I tend to look into future as well. I don't spend my salary on the day I get it because I know I will need to pay stuff before the next pay day. I try to do maintenance to my house so I don't have to do massive repairs later due to negligence. And so on. I also like if my company doesn't put everything in one basket because if that fails the company could go under. You, on the other hand...

The club has done so well because of just one thing: Moyes. He has done excellently. If he was to leave or something else was to happen, well, the club has all it's eggs in one basket.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

It's getting tiresome I know. But here is something which every single one of the doubters need to do.

Vote with your feet or make a stand. Don't sit on the fence with your rhetoric and anti-everton propaganda. Do something.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Well, I tend to look into future as well. I don't spend my salary on the day I get it because I know I will need to pay stuff before the next pay day. I try to do maintenance to my house so I don't have to do massive repairs later due to negligence. And so on. I also like if my company doesn't put everything in one basket because if that fails the company could go under. You, on the other hand...

The club has done so well because of just one thing: Moyes. He has done excellently. If he was to leave or something else was to happen, well, the club has all it's eggs in one basket.

Moyes is instrumental for sure, but he's not flawless, and he certainly isn't good enough for Man U.

I think you need to look at the backroom staff, the academy directors, the coaches and physios. It's not just one man one job, it's a network of people.

And as for looking to the future:

Jose Baxter
Shaun Duffy
Seamus Coleman
Ross Barklay
Dan Gosling
Mustafi
James Wallace
Jack Rodwell
Kieran Agard
James McCarten
Luke Garbett
Femi Orenuga
Jake Bidwell

 

[nesky]

It's getting tiresome I know. But here is something which every single one of the doubters need to do.

Vote with your feet or make a stand. Don't sit on the fence with your rhetoric and anti-everton propaganda. Do something.

It always boils down to the same daft rhetoric with the rose-tinted specs brigade, doesn't it? It's all crystallised in statements like "Anti Everton propaganda". How is it ANTI Everton to bemoan things that are injurious to the cause of the club? If anything, meekly accepting failure to capitalise on the now plateauing progress Moyes has achieved is "Anti Everton".

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Of course, complacency is always a threat. It seems though that Moyes is taking the approach of promoting from within, knowing as he does that buying existing stars is not going to be possible. As fans we expect the stars to arrive because they're what we know. We don't have the knowledge of Moyes, but if you look back at our transfer dealings it's unlikely that many fans would have predicted the subsequent success many of our signings would have had.

I look at the team and see a clear progression. No group of people are ever going to be perfect and mistakes will always be made. That post 4th place slump showed up a number of mistakes and we've largely eradicated them now to become a consistent outfit.

In previous seasons we've also struggled in cup competitions but in the last few years we've reached the semi-final of the League Cup and the final of the FA Cup. Our first forays into Europe weren't good, but our UEFA run of two years ago showed clear progression and we were unlucky to miss out against Fiorentina. We've also shown a lack of quality against the very best teams in the past but last season we went toe to toe with many of them and gained some very good results.

Each season has shown visible signs of progression, weaknesses improved upon etc. A few new signings would have been very nice but I think its safe to believe Moyes has thought the exact same thing and has plans in place should those signings not happen.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

It always boils down to the same daft rhetoric with the rose-tinted specs brigade, doesn't it? It's all crystallised in statements like "Anti Everton propaganda". How is it ANTI Everton to bemoan things that are injurious to the cause of the club? If anything, meekly accepting failure to capitalise on the now plateauing progress Moyes has achieved is "Anti Everton".

Because I have spent the summer roaming the other forums and they are full of people who are looking for any excuse to **** off the club. Even kicking off about the design on the season tickets.

Either you support Everton or you don't. If you don't like the way it is then you have three choices.

1. Get over it.
2. Vote with your feet.
3. Protest and make a stand.

Far too many people lack the courage of the convictions.

 

[Makis]

Villa sold Barry to fund Delph, so they are a selling club also.

So what money did they use to sign Downing and Beye? That's about 15 million spent. The 3,5 million from Knight?

Arsenal are a good example that just building a new stadium doesn't necessary mean you will have more money. Although I would be surprised if no more money is made available to Wenger. They have, after all, netter over 40 million and only bought Vermaelen for about 10.

As for other clubs:
- Chelsea signed Zhirkov for £18 million. And it's not like they need to massively increase their squad, is it?
- Spurs have signed three defenders and swapped Bent to Crouch. Looks good business to me.
- Sunderland signed two strikers and got rid of deadwood.
- Manchester U haven't really replaced Ronaldo yet but I'm sure Ferguson has the money to spend when he finds a suitable player(s).
- RS lost Alonso for 30 million and a couple of fringe players and used the money to sign a couple of players. Of course with Benitez it's always hit-and-miss so you never know.
- Man City obviously want to build a core of players used to the PL. I don't think they will be top-4 material yet, but one or two top signings and sorting out their defence and they will be something. Not this season, though.

 

[nesky]

Because I have spent the summer roaming the other forums and they are full of people who are looking for any excuse to **** off the club. Even kicking off about the design on the season tickets.

Either you support Everton or you don't. If you don't like the way it is then you have three choices.

1. Get over it.
2. Vote with your feet.
3. Protest and make a stand.

Far too many people lack the courage of the convictions.

Hmmm, so you don't accept that unconditional financial support from paying fans tells the board they have carte blanche to do whatever they like? Even the fans who turn up at the games and wave their placards are wasting their time; they've still paid to get into the ground and that's all the board cares about.

 

[Makis]

I think you need to look at the backroom staff, the academy directors, the coaches and physios. It's not just one man one job, it's a network of people.

It's still the manager who decides on the playing staff. I don't quite believe that Everton's backroom staff is so much more competent than, say, Tottenham's or Aston Villa's that that is the deciding factor.

And as for looking to the future:

Jose Baxter
Shaun Duffy
Seamus Coleman
Ross Barklay
Dan Gosling
Mustafi
James Wallace
Jack Rodwell
Kieran Agard
James McCarten
Luke Garbett
Femi Orenuga
Jake Bidwell

You listed loads of youngsters. Simple fact is if two of those really make it it's a good result. That's how it goes with youngsters. Most of those haven't played a single match and, frankly, I believe many never will.

Mustafi was a great coup, btw.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Hmmm, so you don't accept that unconditional financial support from paying fans tells the board they have carte blanche to do whatever they like? Even the fans who turn up at the games and wave their placards are wasting their time; they've still paid to get into the ground and that's all the board cares about.

Unconditional financial support? Are you saying that the club take our money and don't give us back anything?

Everton is a business, not just a football club. Bums on seats, shirts on backs, tickets in pockets. That's all they want from a business aspect because that increases revenue.

From the sporting side of things we have a chairman who is so Evertonian it's sometimes embarassing. If he was more about generating revenue and less about the feel good factor when we win a cup semi-final then perhaps we would have more to spend.

I like him, and I hate him. I like his enthusiasm, but I hate his lack of ability to perform at the job. I also believe he is in a situation where he wants to sell but nobody is buying, not the price the club is going for anyway.

Do you think Liverpool care about the fans anymore than Everton do? It's all about penetrating the market, they want your money. It's business, simple as that.

 

[Makis]

Do you think Liverpool care about the fans anymore than Everton do? It's all about penetrating the market, they want your money. It's business, simple as that.

Of course you are right but it would be nice if they made an effort. A good start would be to sack the guy who calls himself head of PR who spends his time sending deragotary emails to fans.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

It's still the manager who decides on the playing staff. I don't quite believe that Everton's backroom staff is so much more competent than, say, Tottenham's or Aston Villa's that that is the deciding factor.

Ok, so who hires Moyes? He never walked in and said right I'm taking over this place.

You listed loads of youngsters. Simple fact is if two of those really make it it's a good result. That's how it goes with youngsters. Most of those haven't played a single match and, frankly, I believe many never will.

Mustafi was a great coup, btw.

Well I think you my friend are lost on me. So maybe we should end this discussion here. I'm positive about Everton and so are many others. If your not then I can assure you your negative comments are quite welcome in 1 very popular forum.

Not saying that this is a forum that doesn't look at both sides, but you have to have a willingness to look over the fence, once in a while.