Martinez Out?

[daz4matty]

But we are, and it makes no difference to the substantial managerial question: do you get rid of a manager for a poor season after being such a success in season one? That cant be swept under the carpet. As long as we're safe he's earned the right to carry on.

He has earned no rights after this season.
Would you want a manager to carry on after putting us in a relegation scrap with this fantastic squad

 

[GwladysBlue]

What? You think the Echo has a say in running Everton or any kind of influence on who's in charge! Come on now ! No one hardly reads the rag now.

The media can be used as an influencing tool, especially on fans of the club.

 

[davek]

This isn't just me plucking stats from the air it is based on fact. When the league finishing position of every club in the Premier League era is compared to the clubs wage bill there is an almost exact correlation. Only two clubs have outperfomed their wage bill to any statistically significant effect. Bolton under Big Sam and Everton under Moyes. For every other club you could have had any one manager and it would have made no difference to where they finished."
No other manager has matched the consistency of Everton over the last decade. Other managers have had great one off seasons but they have always reverted to the mean in the long term.

Last season showed that Martinez can create a positive winning environment. However this season is showing he struggles to get teams out of a rut. The question is do we give him time to prove he can and risk relegation?

For me the biggest disappointment has been how little he has done on the development of the club. When he agreed to take over (and when he turned down the chance to go to Liverpool) it was said he wanted full control of the club from the first team downwards. Well if he has that control he has done nothing with it, we've lost a heck of a lot of staff and there has been minimal recruitment - just internal replacements. That is fine if we genuinely had talented staff ready to move up but when we lose the head of the academy, our U21 manager, our head of fitness and our head of medicine and replace them only internally and after long delays I do wonder if it shows a lack of interest in the details.

Yeah, erm, that's because Martinez has been here two seasons not a decade. Or did that escape your attention?

'One off great seasons'...I think the sentence you're looking for is 'a season when all PL records for Everton were smashed'.

As for development of the club. The U21's are flying. We have players coming through as per usual and getting game time.

other than that...

 

[GwladysBlue]

Neil Jones is a kopite.

Doesn't matter, he is saying what we all are. To go from 5th to a relegation threatened within one season is a pretty amazing feat.

 

[ijjysmith]

But we are, and it makes no difference to the substantial managerial question: do you get rid of a manager for a poor season after being such a success in season one? That cant be swept under the carpet. As long as we're safe he's earned the right to carry on.

Being 'safe' doesn't necessarily give him the right to carry on. Things need to change and change soon. Obviously. Not saying that's get rid of him, but things need changing.

 

[davek]

It is a lie

You have a forum to search and prove me wrong.

Crack on fella

You're an irrelevancy to this debate. You made your choice to oppose Martinez from his appointment onward.

How can you be taken seriously? How?

 

[Neiler]

We need to take this season on the chin.

Lukaku
Garbutt
Besic
Barkley
Stones
McCarthy

Another year of development. World Cup Legs, Not to mention injuries, we've had a jarring season for those very reasons and the Martinez philosphey being taken up another notch. Im not that surprised to be honest. I predicted many praticularly Ross would struggle this season. Im looking at it as a step back to take a step forward. Im going to enjoy the Europa with the knowledge wel get enough points together to be comfortable in midtable.

 

[davek]

Being 'safe' doesn't necessarily give him the right to carry on. Things need to change and change soon. Obviously. Not saying that's get rid of him, but things need changing.

Of course things will change and have to.

One change you dont want to make though is the managerial position.

I could be wrong, but I doubt there's any serious contemplation of it right now at the top.

All this debate is hot air and it'll amount to nothing once the points required are secured.

 

[ijjysmith]

Of course things will change and have to.

One change you dont want to make though is the managerial position.

I could be wrong, but I doubt there's any serious contemplation of it right now at the top.

All this deabte is hot air and it'll amount to nothing once the points required are secured.

I agree I highly doubt getting rid of him is even being talked about by the top brass. Would cost them way too much for a start, for a few reasons.

The debate will go on though, we've simply been awful for a whole season (bar Europa I guess), but securing points to be safe should not be viewed as any sort of achievement or some sort of milestone.

It's grim, and a hell of a lot of it (but not all) has to be laid on the managers door.

 

[Stanley Parker]

We have won 2 games in the last 15 so it seems like I am on here more when we lose.
Talking about patterns you seem to enjoy us losing so you can back Martinez even more.

But we haven't lost many games recently.

In our last eleven games - including games against Liverpool and Manchester City - we've only lost twice.

It isn't too shocking that those were the games at Chelsea and Arsenal.

 

[davek]

I agree I highly doubt getting rid of him is even being talked about by the top brass. Would cost them way too much for a start, for a few reasons.

The debate will go on though, we've simply been awful for a whole season (bar Europa I guess), but securing points to be safe should not be viewed as any sort of achievement or some sort of milestone.

It's grim, and a hell of a lot of it (but not all) has to be laid on the managers door.

I'm happy to agree with every word of that.

 

[tim cahill]

Of course things will change and have to.

One change you dont want to make though is the managerial position.

I could be wrong, but I doubt there's any serious contemplation of it right now at the top.

All this debate is hot air and it'll amount to nothing once the points required are secured.

If the manager isn't changed then what will change? He's stuck to an approach that hasn't worked all season.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Of course things will change and have to.

One change you dont want to make though is the managerial position.

I could be wrong, but I doubt there's any serious contemplation of it right now at the top.

All this debate is hot air and it'll amount to nothing once the points required are secured.

Why exactly is that? He is a manager who has already relegated one Premier League team. If this had of been someone like McLeish in charge, a dour Scott and not the nicey, nice Martinez then you would have been calling for his head.

 

[streeky]

Didn't moyes hit a spell were he almost lost the dressing room through being too tough ,so he re changed his style lightened up and got the guy's back on board, if Martinez continues to play a system that the players don't fit he's finished. Round pegs in round holes.

 

[Neiler]

I agree I highly doubt getting rid of him is even being talked about by the top brass. Would cost them way too much for a start, for a few reasons.

The debate will go on though, we've simply been awful for a whole season (bar Europa I guess), but securing points to be safe should not be viewed as any sort of achievement or some sort of milestone.

It's grim, and a hell of a lot of it (but not all) has to be laid on the managers door.

See mate, i dont think we have been awful, i can remember plenty of Everton teams who were (containing Steve Watson up front). We've played well and been competitive in most games and unlucky in the majority. You get nothing for preformences i know but very few games we've looked out of our depth or didnt deserve more from. I listed the names of the young players who are now cornerstones of our team and being developed, if you think back to Moyes's last game none of them were in it. There is a changing of the gaurd and no mistake and the above players need space, time and patience to develop and be the boss players we all know they are. This season is a phase of that development and in many ways a brand new team.