Martinez Out?

[davek]

If Martinez was sacked now and we replaced him with someone who had us 14th at Christmas would people want him sacked too? And then if the next guy had us finishing next season in 16th would he be out as well? Continuity is the key. I really can't get my head around this instant gratification way of thinking. I hate to burst people's bubbles but there's going to be a transition period for every new manager.

They want every season to be like last season or they'll scream and jump up and down and demand a new manger.

Very fickle people.

I'm really not surprised the Martinez haters are frantic for something to happen right now...they know it's their last chance. They're running out of track and are becoming desperate to unseat Martinez before safety happens. The bottom three are becoming cemented in week by week and a win or two for us clinches the matter.

They'll disappear once safety is reached.

 

[daz4matty]

They want every season to be like last season or they'll scream and jump up and down and demand a new manger.

Very fickle people.

I'm really not surprised the Martinez haters are frantic for something to happen right now...they know it's their last chance. They're running out of track and are becoming desperate to unseat Martinez before safety happens. The bottom three are becoming cemented in week by week and a win or two for us clinches the matter.

They'll disappear once safety is reached.

Wow we escape relegation just and that makes you happy.

 

[davek]

Wow we escape relegation just and that makes you happy.

No, it makes us safe. Then we can build for next season with a stable situation with manager in place and transfer activity to get right.

I know that's something that upsets you and your cohorts who want a crisis, so I'll stop there.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

They want every season to be like last season or they'll scream and jump up and down and demand a new manger.

Very fickle people.

I'm really not surprised the Martinez haters are frantic for something to happen right now...they know it's their last chance. They're running out of track and are becoming desperate to unseat Martinez before safety happens. The bottom three are becoming cemented in week by week and a win or two for us clinches the matter.

They'll disappear once safety is reached.

I wouldn't say there's a single Martinez 'hater' on here. Just a bunch of lads who are calling a spade a spade and calling him out on making the same mistakes again and again. It isn't good enough with the squad we've got and his inability to say 'that wasn't good enough' is infuriating.

 

[nsno-chris]

I'm so glad that a team whose objective every year was trying to qualify for your Europe, with an outside chance of CL qualification are now more concerned with "being safe".

Cheers bobby you bad bell

 

[davek]

I wouldn't say there's a single Martinez 'hater' on here. Just a bunch of lads who are calling a spade a spade and calling him out on making the same mistakes again and again. It isn't good enough with the squad we've got and his inability to say 'that wasn't good enough' is infuriating.

There's a handful on here who opposed Martinez being appointed in the first place, and continued to oppose him last season when we ha a record number of points and wins. They are not honest people in this debate.

Sure, they aren't the majority, but the fickle charge still stands. How can anyone who was delighted with last season (99%) now want to unseat the manager who provided that record season when safety is about 7 or 8 points away?

Doesn't make sense to me. The rational way of dealing with this is to say: rubbish season. Let's get it out of the way and see what next season brings by way of results. Then we can judge the manager.

 

[davek]

I'm so glad that a team whose objective every year was trying to qualify for your Europe, with an outside chance of CL qualification are now more concerned with "being safe".

Cheers bobby you bad bell

You couldn't stand it when we won 21 times last season.

lol

Bankrupt.

I thought we'd established your credibility in this debate was zero and that you wouldn't post on the subject anymore?

 

[ijjysmith]

There's a handful on here who opposed Martinez being apointed in the first place, and continued to oppose him last season when we ha a record number of points and wins. They are not honest people in this debate.

Sure, they aren't the majority, but the fickle charge still stands. How can anyone who was delighted with last season (99%) now want to unseat the manager who provided that record season when safety is about 7 or 8 points away?

Doesn't make sense to me. The rational way of dealing with this is to say: rubbish season. Let's get it out of the way and see what next season brings by way of results. Then we can judge the manager.

I think that's the point mate. We shouldn't even be in a position to care about how many points we need to be safe.

 

[nsno-chris]

There's a handful on here who opposed Martinez being apointed in the first place, and continued to oppose him last season when we ha a record number of points and wins. They are not honest people in this debate.

Sure, they aren't the majority, but the fickle charge still stands. How can anyone who was delighted with last season (99%) now want to unseat the manager who provided that record season when safety is about 7 or 8 points away?

Doesn't make sense to me. The rational way of dealing with this is to say: rubbish season. Let's get it out of the way and see what next season brings by way of results. Then we can judge the manager.

Oh that's a lie.

People had their views on him being appointed, the same way you had your views on other candidates. No one said anything last year

Get over yourself and your pathetic comments, like your the holy of all after the way you speak out some of our playing staff

 

[nsno-chris]

You couldn't stand it when we won 21 times last season.

lol

Bankrupt.

I thought we'd established your credibility in this debate was zero and that you wouldn't post on the subject anymore?

Talking crap again.

I want Everton to win so wind your neck in

 

[Timak]

We have the problem now that we were always going to have after Moyes left. To quote myself

"Any new manager has a 99% chance of doing worse than Moyes.

This isn't just me plucking stats from the air it is based on fact. When the league finishing position of every club in the Premier League era is compared to the clubs wage bill there is an almost exact correlation. Only two clubs have outperfomed their wage bill to any statistically significant effect. Bolton under Big Sam and Everton under Moyes. For every other club you could have had any one manager and it would have made no difference to where they finished."

No other manager has matched the consistency of Everton over the last decade. Other managers have had great one off seasons but they have always reverted to the mean in the long term.

Last season showed that Martinez can create a positive winning environment. However this season is showing he struggles to get teams out of a rut. The question is do we give him time to prove he can and risk relegation?

For me the biggest disappointment has been how little he has done on the development of the club. When he agreed to take over (and when he turned down the chance to go to Liverpool) it was said he wanted full control of the club from the first team downwards. Well if he has that control he has done nothing with it, we've lost a heck of a lot of staff and there has been minimal recruitment - just internal replacements. That is fine if we genuinely had talented staff ready to move up but when we lose the head of the academy, our U21 manager, our head of fitness and our head of medicine and replace them only internally and after long delays I do wonder if it shows a lack of interest in the details.

 

[TraffordBlue]

They want every season to be like last season or they'll scream and jump up and down and demand a new manger.

Very fickle people.

I'm really not surprised the Martinez haters are frantic for something to happen right now...they know it's their last chance. They're running out of track and are becoming desperate to unseat Martinez before safety happens. The bottom three are becoming cemented in week by week and a win or two for us clinches the matter.

They'll disappear once safety is reached.

I'm by no means impressed with Martinez this season I have to admit but I agree completely with you. It's all a bit pathetic how people are throwing their teddies out of the pram about this season. Yes it's unacceptable and the players and manager obviously know it. I think they're probably surprised they're doing so badly as well. But if everyone can rave about him last season so much which he deserved, it seems very knee jerk to demand he is sacked after 3/4 of a season where he has been poor.

If he relegates us, or doesn't turn it around next season, then I think calling for his head will be justified.

He can easily turn it around but he needs to take a look at himself as well. His stubbornness is killing the team and pushing us towards an unnecessary relegation battle. Everyone can see the mistakes he is making but himself. And his persistence in the same tactics and player selections aren't doing anyone any good. For me this needs changing:

Play Robles, not Howard - Robles picked up some good form and got us clean sheets. Howard has cost us all season
Use Barry as a squad player, and accept that he should be 4th choice whilst Gibson is fit.
Distin and Alcaraz aren't good enough cover at centre half.
Play two wingers
Play Barkley centrally or not at all, and don't play both him and Naismith and push one out wide
If Baines won't attack from left back, then drop him. Play Oviedo or Garbutt there as Baines seems content with not getting forward as he seems to be pissed off that Pienaar isn't ahead of him.

 

[davek]

I think that's the point mate. We shouldn't even be in a position to care about how many points we need to be safe.

But we are, and it makes no difference to the substantial managerial question: do you get rid of a manager for a poor season after being such a success in season one? That cant be swept under the carpet. As long as we're safe he's earned the right to carry on.

 

[davek]

Oh that's a lie.

People had their views on him being appointed, the same way you had your views on other candidates. No one said anything last year

Get over yourself and your pathetic comments, like your the holy of all after the way you speak out some of our playing staff

It's not a lie. I cant believe you have the brass neck to deny it. Martinez got us a record PL season and you weren't happy.

I dont think anyone can take your opposition to him now with anything more than a pinch of salt.

 

[nsno-chris]

It's not a lie. I cant believe you have the brass neck to deny it. Martinez got us a record PL season and you weren't happy.

I dont think anyone can take your opposition to him now with anything more than a pinch of salt.

It is a lie

You have a forum to search and prove me wrong.

Crack on fella